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If you can’t see the writing on the wall then there is no hope for you. This isn’t an over reaction, far from it. This is a blow up of frustration regarding a man who thinks he knows better than anyone else.
I will support this club to the hilt but will not blindly follow when i see inherent stupidity t the helm of the ship. Ignoring the clear warning signs is just dumb insolence. Leave it too long and we could end up like Charlton or Leyton Orient.
The next 3 or 4 performnces will determine where this season is heading regrdless of results. If no clear pattern starts to emerge then changes are inevitable for this club to move forward.

 

Thank you Mr Rahic , glad you're pleased with the progress made under your tenure.

 

Hi @AJP I'll be at Fleetwood on Saturday my seat is Block F, Row 9, Seat 147, if you're sat anywhere near me you will see and hear me go through most emotions football fans go through in a game.
If by any chance we are as dire as we were on Saturday and I do boo the team or Collins or Edin please don't infer I'm any less of a Bradford City fan than your good self, I have been known to make my feelings felt during a game but not many times over the years.
One point with regards your comment about booing and general anti club chants during games, I remembed after the Blackpool fiasco several players saying the responce from the fans that day was a real wake up call to them, do you think fans who attended that game shouldn't have vented their feelings about that inept performance ?.
Unfortunatly things at the club have got so bad that even Mr Championship manager couldn't turn the club around let's hope Micheal and his backroom staff can.
I personally don't believe he has the experiance to do it, if we are in a relegation fight you may have to take ear protectors to home games as fans won't sit there in silence when they see their club falling apart before their eyes.

 

You call it hysterical overreaction, I call it justified concern. We virtually signed a whole new team during the summer and appointed an inexperienced head coach - it was obvious it was going to take time for things to come together and with that in mind, I was more than prepared to give the coaching team and the players 10 games before starting to worry if things weren't going too well to begin with. However, that was based on the expectation that regardless of results, I would be seeing a team giving their all every game and that there would be signs of progress every week. I have seen neither of those things and even though we won on Tuesday, you would have to be a fool or extremely naive to think that result was in anyway convincing. I don't think it is an overreaction to say that it is now abundantly clear that Collins is way out of his depth or to say that there is nothing he is doing or saying that inspires any confidence in his ability to turn things around.

 

Hysterical over reaction.How I choose to react to the present tripe on offer is up to me.
Don't tell me what I should or shouldn't be doing.
Your opinion his yours not mine.
Let's just leave it at that.

 

Edin Rahic is not qualified for and has no record of running a club.

Collins has no experience of even first team coaching let alone football management.

On what basis will 'more time' help?

If my 8 year old son decided to take my car keys and go for a drive, I wouldn't give him time to get the hang of it. I'd get him the f*ck out of the car before he causes a mess.

 

The Collins appointment is our Hockaday moment.

When Hockaday was appointed, Leeds fans were up in arms. And they weren't shy about it. Just a handful of games in, they were tearing up seats and shouting 'you're getting sacked in the morning'. At our cup game against them at Valley Parade, ironically.

And Hockaday was more qualified than Collins. He'd been a first team coach at Watford, MK Dons and Leicester. And he'd had a bit of management experience at Forest Green.

Most are now awake to our mess. But the last and lingering of the blind will never see it. Their apathy and ignorance is a risk to us. And they'll largely deserve the train wreck that's coming.

 

Oh give over. You maybe happy with being a relegation fodder side and being run by clowns from top to bottom but most of us are not.

 

I'd say there's been a hysterical under reaction. Rahic should've been run out of town the moment he implemented Collins as his proxy manager.

 

I think the ‘Head Coach’ model is something that’s over-stated, in terms of its principles being the issue.

I think there’s a lot of merit in having a management system and infrastructure that DOESN’T allow the manager too much power and influence. Some extreme examples to illustrate the point:

Has anyone seen the Man City documentary on Amazon? It’s brilliantly insightful. In one meeting they discuss potential transfer targets – you have the owner, chairmen, COO, Sports director, Guardiola and his assistants talking about the needs of the team and the merits of certain targets. It’s a collaborative thing, players have to fit a certain technical mould and align to the vision of how the team wants to play – but crucially, Guardiola won’t be given any player he doesn’t want. Their system has been lauded by Gary Neville, who compared Man United for contrast; they had an old school system with Ferguson having all the control. It served them well because he was a once in a generation genius, but when he moved on they were buggered. Completely ill-equipped and still are – they’ve flittered from manager to manager and lost their identity. If they had a similar structure to City, who protected the sort of principles you’d associated with Man United then there’s no way they’d have spent 30m on Fellaini and 75m on Lukaku.

Similarly, we gave Parkinson a lot of control, so when he left – we lost our fitness coach, scouting info and entire backroom team.

I think the truly old school model is dead.

Having a system where a football director sets the vision, and having other support specialists in place is a modern, appropriate model. So when the manager goes, you have some continuity.

Our problem isn’t the model, it’s the way its implemented and being managed. A good football director wouldn’t be a dictator in the way that Rahic is. He (or she) would appoint specialists, empower them, trust them, expect loyalty and alignment to the vision they’ve agreed to – but wouldn’t be afraid of challenge and critique. They wouldn’t be so keen to be associated with the playing side – being seen on the pitch, or unveiling players etc. They wouldn’t (ever!) enter the dressing room. They’d play a part in agreeing signings but they wouldn’t so clearly cast out players like Killgallon, or recruit players that the manager doesn’t specifically want – as is clearly the case with the likes of Sattelmeir, Bruenker, Rabiega, Isherwood. I mean, for goodness sake, look at how many players we signed when we didn’t even have a manager! They wouldn’t appoint someone who’s coaching experience is limited to a few months of part-time U18s coaching.

Having a DoF and Head Coach isn’t the problem. The problem is the people filling those roles

 

Abslolute balls!

“We’ve had it shit before, so it doesn’t matter that we’re shit now”...That’s what you’re saying.

WE DON’T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH SHIT!

 

I've been prepared to give Rahic the benefit of the doubt. Never had any issue at all with Rupp, to me he's just a Benny Andersson lookalike whose put in a bit of money and wants a quiet life. We never see him so he doesn't exist.

First year, all relatively ok, I'm quite happy to ignore the "rumours" and general he said she said stuff as 99% of it is usually made up anyway. Summer 2017, not really happy at the loss of players but happy to console myself with the thoughts that Billy Clarke was a non scoring forward (he was but boy did he knit the team together), Meredith was a shark who would have gone anyway (he was and we couldn't alter it), the loans were always going back, Marshall wanted to go to London and we tried to keep him, and perhaps McArdle was being greedy.

The start of the season masked this and even though we lost a lot at home and never really looked convincing, I always had the fact that we didn't lose two on the trot to settle any worries and put aside fears about the owner. The Hendrie scenario washed over me, I couldn't see what the fuss was and after the 4/0 loss at home to Wimbledon I really thought Stuart had lost the plot and we should get Grayson in.

Then in walked the EGO and the only thing he turned around was my opinion of him from very very good league one manager and all round decent guy, to "hey, this guy's actually a bit of a useless Twit isn't he". Wasn't bothered he had left because we'd get a decent replacement. Wasn't bothered that took time because patience is a virtue.

Mason's gone - meh, so what, never rated him anyway. Sure he's a nice guy with a lot of commitment, but face facts he's no Dave Baldwin.

Couple of what "looked" like decent signings being made with no coach told me we have someone lined up and he's pulling the strings surely. Then bang. Rahic appoints a team of no hopers, but I'm prepared to give them time. They are
BCFC after all.

So now here we are. Five matches in and it's smacked me in the face that

1. The club is owned by an egocentric maniac who will stop at nothing to get his own way
2. He's systematically shipped out any player at the club who was worth anything and had any heart and replaced them all with one of Dorothy's sidekicks.
3. He's appointed a coach who is really his puppet.

Now if all that being smashed in your face in the last three weeks isn't enough, then now someone has alienated the only link with any sort of passion and is ready to ship him to Scotland.

So Edin please...…………….. and I don't want to insult, abuse you or call your country of birth/ domicile anything. But you are ruining the already soft foundations of our club with your daft ideas. You don't and can't change the way English football is run. Please accept that or please sell up to someone who does.

YOU DO NOT KNOW ENGLISH FOOTBALL AND YOU ARE LEADING US TO RELEGATION WITH YOUR RIDICULOUS HEAD COACH THEORY.

League one football needs a strong hands on FOOTBALL manager. A bit like the one we used to have. Please go out and get another.

 

There has been no xenophobia or racism on this board, if you have examples then please do point them out. You are new to this board but it is well moderated.

What we do seem to have is increasingly posters like yourself who wish to change the focus of the discussions from fans who are extremely concerned about what is happening to our club. The ‘chink in our armour’ has not been generated by the fans expressing concerns, it is the way other clubs and players watching our club and their perception.You may have forgotten we took all summer to try and recruit an experienced manager and guess what not one could be found who ‘fitted with our job description’

I have been a fan/supporter of this club since 1967, and I will not be staying away from VP anytime soon! So please convey my sentiments to Mr Rupp and Mr Rahic who you have no doubt consulted on this subject!

 

I detest what is happening at VP, i have never brought race into it . This club is in turmoil because of the arrogance and inept attitude of the owners.

 

Yawn..........

 

Dont worry, i couldn’t care less what anyone thinks of my take on things at Bradford City football club. Believe me, i have far more important things in my life than football, i just happen to care about my football club.

 

I can only assume this is an attention seeking post, if you think a few boos on Saturday and some honest social media comments since, are a hysterical over reaction. I actually suggest the opposite is the case.

That is 2 Saturdays on the trot that our players have turned up and given the impression that they don't care one bit about playing for City with such spineless performances. We have a coach who is way out of his depth who genuinely looks lost and in a World of his own during games, and clearly hasn't a clue on how to turn things around, and actually admitted on Saturday after the game, that he doesn't have the answers as to why most of his players were so poor and appeared not to give a toss.

It pains me to say, but if Rupp allows Rahic to continue to run the club the way he is, I can only see a slide to non league oblivion with a rapidly declining fan base

Now if you think that is an over reaction, so be it, but would suggest you care about our club as much as most of that shower who played for us on Saturday do.

 

I’d argue the problems started prior to Yeovil but Stuart manged to keep us going until the wheels fell off. I remember rubbishing some claims/rumours on C&B when, prior to the Fleetwood PO games, they claimed Edin was about to sack McCall. At that point, we had finished 5th and were set for the POs and a chance of promotion.

Yet Rahic STILL wanted McCall out. How much pressure must Stuart and his team have been under. I blame Edin for our failure to get promoted and the breakdown between him and McCall thereafter. Working for an egocentric owner who was just waiting for an excuse to sack you must have been soul destroying for all involved ...... (but not, it seems, for Abbott)..!