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How does this club move forward?

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Faithful Bantam, Feb 22, 2020.

  1. abbomf

    abbomf Emergency Backup

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    I can remember going to a game v Port Vale (or Oxford?) at ER, Dean Saunders & Martin Foyle were upfront, there were less than 10k there. This was the second division (Championship).
     
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  2. Edinmiarse

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    But we have nowhere to move to and no one to sink £30 million plus into building a new ground. It's just a wish list but if you know of someone then I'm all ears.
    However staying at VP should not be used as a reason for not being able to get promoted out of league 2 or league 1. Recent experience has proved that.
     
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  3. Faithful Bantam

    Faithful Bantam Squad Player

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    Completely agree. I keep saying it - we obsess over price, when we should be thinking about value. That’s the over-riding decision point for many.

    My son is 10. He’s not massively interested or motivated about going to VP - why would he be? The quality is poor, the atmosphere’s poor, the facilities are poor. And football is so accessible through the media now - when I was his age, I was bitten by the bug. It seemed magical to me, especially the night games and whilst football was on TV, it was nowhere near as exposed as it is now. You don’t have to go to games to get your football fix.

    We’re going to have a massive challenge attracting and retaining future generations of fans.

    I’m nearly 40, and even I’m losing interest. There’s so much more to life - paying 150 to watch a lifeless, unambitious outfit circle league’s 1 and 2 doesn’t interest me. Paying 250 quid for a title challenging league 1 side, or 400 quid for a competitive championship side - bring that on!! Now, we can’t just lump up prices of course. It has to be timed right and it has to be a feature of a credible, ambitious plan led by people with credibility.

    If we keep convincing ourselves that underpricing tickets will keep the masses coming while quality and future prospects remain grim, we’re dreaming. Likewise, the community of Bradford are no less able to pay the going rate than any other working class northern City. We have to break this self-limiting cycle and find some bloody ambition!
     
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  4. Dennis

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    How do other businesses in the entertainment sector manage to increase prices and still see an increase in income?

    How do Sky do it every year without seeing a fall off in subscribers?

    How do cinema chains increase seat prices and the number of cinema goers continues to increase?

    How do theatres keep increasing seat prices without playing in front of empty theatres?

    How do most football clubs increase seat prices and attendances continue to grow?

    Why are we such a basket case that we are incapable of doing what many other entertainment businesses manage to do?

    JR is committed to cheap ticket prices and yet there doesn't appear to be any evidence to support what he continues to do! It's bizarre. Unless he has magically hit upon the optimum point of the supply and demand curves, if he really believes in his cheap ticket strategy he might as well reduce the ticket price further and get more in the stadium!
     
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  5. Bronco

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    You may be correct I'm quoting the average home attendance season 2007/08 when they got to the play play off final against Doncaster, recording the highest home attendance for a third tier game 32,501 when they entertained Huddersfield at Elland Road.
     
  6. Park bantam

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    We are in the lower reaches of the football league.We can’t offer the best footballers in the world and our football is the equivalent at the moment of a pornagraphic flic than a Hollywood blockbuster.
    We keep being told what a dump and poor city we live in our prices suit our demographic. If and when we move up the league there will be scope for paying more but as things are we should stick with affordable football
     
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  7. Bigrod

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    Canal barges move faster than cars through the Saltaire, Thackley Corner, Canal Road, Hollins Hill zone. A three lane road, which bottle necks down to one below the Queens Road bridge (ironically an appropriate name Canal Road). No through trains from the south or west go to Shipley/Saltaire/Bingley/Crossflats. An area where if I recall it correctly, there was problems with the land, to the east side of the River Aire ,with stability. So build a stadium, which has very poor accessibility in a relatively narrow valley bottom. Where is this pristine site ready for development?
     
  8. ConnecticutBantam

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    I would love to have a detailed answer on our scouting networks and how they're using analytics. I think we can all agree that we've recruited badly the last couple of years.

    The days of scouts simply going to watch a few games are long gone. While that is still important to an extent its time the club, if it isn't already doing so, entered the 21st century. If we are a club that is going to rely on "cup runs and selling players" we should start to look at players like stocks. Those that will appreciate and those that will depreciate. This isn't to say we shouldn't take on a player that we won't then be able to sell for big money, it's all about balance. The link at the bottom of this explains the Brentford model of using data. I realize that right now we are not in the same category as them in terms of finances. However, I don't think that should stop us implementing a similar statistical model.

    This is one of the better threads I have read on here recently. I agree with the point about the club feeling like the city. We appear to be going nowhere. I would happily have a few years in league 2 if it meant we had a medium and long term plan in place. At the moment it's very much hit and hope - on and off the field.

    https://footballbh.net/2019/05/28/brentford-championship-tactical-analysis-statistics-analysis/
     
  9. How

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    Plus I think he can speak English but chooses not to in front of the press etc.
    And who can blame him. Everything taken out of context. At least this way he keeps up the front and can blame the translator if needed
     
  10. Rocket

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    Holme Wood
     
  11. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!
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    Well everything else is going up around us.

    What you're saying is utter tosh.

    So, if I go into Bradford this morning it will be cheaper to get things from will it? Is that how it works at Morrisons @wetherbywhaler@wetherbywhaler? I never knew is? I better do my shopping in Bradford then. Funny went in to Tessuti for a Stone Island jacket that cost £450 in Leeds but they had in Bradford and guess what it was still £450.

    Do people that live in Bradford get cheaper holidays?

    Petrol cheaper in Bradford? Better full my Merc up in Bradford then.

    The only thing that's possibly cheaper in Bradford are house prices and that all depends on where you live as well.

    I know loads of people from Bradford that have healthy bank accounts.loads!

    Think to be honest you're thinking about your own back pocket but I fully believe the cheap season tickets is not under valuing the club and we need to start increasing the prices.

    The way Bradford City currently operates we will lose fans and we won't get them back. We need to show more ambition and make the club full valued again.
     
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  12. Rogered Tart

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    I agree with what something Brisbane bantam was alluding to that pretty much all clubs based around working class cities have poor areas, Bradford isn't unique in being a relatively poor area yet some seem to hang out the point like a fact. This 'affordable football' irks me somewhat.
     
  13. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!
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    I agree and it does me too.

    'affordable football' make it £50 a season ticket if you want it to be affordable for everyone.

    I think @Dennis@Dennis is spot on that when we started this it should have for a few years only and reasons why. Now it's £149 and we see no improvement on or off the pitch. Nothing, is outlined.

    So, we now have fans that won't renew at £149 and when the prices do go back up it will be difficult to get them back.

    Being the cheapest season ticket price in the country means nothing if you can't attract fans from outside the area anyway.

    Just think as a club we are lost..
     
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  14. Bigrod

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    I think this website with its membership, provides evidence that there are a lot of people who are fans/supporters who are outside of the area. I have said this before, the group of six I sit with, then none of us live in Bradford MBC, only two of us were born in the Bradford MBC area. I think you have banged on about Park Bantam living in Plymouth (actually Withernsea). So the evidence is that there are lots of us, who are from ‘outside the area‘.
     
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    When you lower the price of a brand its very difficult to put it back up. Every time sports direct buy up a name you can guarantee its heading for the bargain bin. Look, I get why prices are cheap as it stands, it's league 2 football on a pudding pitch. Most weeks the footballs little better than non league football. And now is not the time to raise them. But in the future, and possibly if we are still in this division, prices need to go up. Its simple business practice, your business costs go up every year. From what I read on here our rent goes up every year. Staff wages rise.
    If your prices are significantly lower than your competitors its because your product is inferior and you're desperate.
     
  16. wetherbywhaler

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    Excellent points Rod.
     
  17. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!
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    I was meaning non Bradford fans outside the area. Just football fans who can afford the affordable price. However, we won't because we're not positive enough as a club.

    I don't live in Bradford but I still go to games and would if I was paying £300 a year but that's me. Bradford City will alway attact the hardcore 7-8k no matter the price and where they live.
     
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  18. MallorcaBantam

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    So, don’t put up season tickets up now.

    Rupp needs to invest money.
    New players for next season, attractive football and win promotion
    Just what fans want — show us what we can have.

    Then put up prices, folks will come for value and entertainment

    Over to you Mr Rupp
     
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  19. Park bantam

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    Or maybe it’s because as pricing is concerned we are enlightened. Our rivals are all struggling in league one and two in almost empty grounds and are no better off than us financially.
     
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    Vue cinema is 4.99 a ticket because the high prices aren't sustainable.
     

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