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Apples and oranges.

Since being promoted into Liverpool the First/Premiership in 1962 they have have had an almost constant stream of success, FA Cups, Euro Cups, Championships so to some extent where the ground is is meaningless because they gave built up a huge fan base.

In the 60’s, 70’s etc when they were getting 30/40 thousand Bradford City was getting 3,4 maybe 5 thousand

So trying to compare the ability of Liverpool to attract fans to their ground to Bradford City’s ability really is nonsensical,

 

There you have it, the Bratfud "can't do" attitude. Tiny places can build a new stadium but Bradford doesn't have "a pristine site ready for development". In reality Bradford has umpteen places where a stadium could be built.

 

Just for reference.
Preston NE figuers recently released for 2018/2019 season.
They lost £14.2M in total and their revenue streams are only £13.8M - Truly eye watering.
For every £1 spend on players wages, only 18p was from matchday revenue.
Even though they are owned by Billionaire Trevor Hemmings, He has lent the club through an interest free loan £4.1M during 2018/2019.
The total debt now PNE owe to Mr Hemmings is £47M. (if he ever wanted to take it back , he won't but it's still debt)

Not sure 'Investment' is the correct term

 

I clicked on this to put learn how to defend corners. Not sure if I've got the wrong idea or I'm just a pragmatist.

 

This is a joke yes ?

 

I agree with a lot of your views Fordy but offer up a viable alternative. Who is waiting on the wings to buy out Rupp and then replace Julian Rhodes? Do you know of someone who is interested?
Don't just say they should go without offering up an alternative.

 

I completely disagree about season ticket prices there is no evidence that dearer tickets will increase overall monies .affordable football is the envy of other clubs fans and for whatever reason has brought lots of new fans in. And we have been on the brink of the championship twice doing it that way. Long may it continue

 

Edinmiarse. No argument. It is not a single issue. It is one of many, many issues with Bradford City.

Burnley's ground is leagues better than Bradfords and is actually closer to the town centre, on flat ground with room on 3 side to grow, only the Bob Lord stand side is truly hemmed in and though Burnley is a much smaller town they demonstrably have over the past 100 years performed much better. Overall they are a Perm/Championship yo-yo team whereas we are a Div 1/Div 2 yo-yo team.

But if we are to really progress, change the overall mentality, give room to move forward then where we are based is a very important part of the picture.

If Everton, Arsenal, Tottenham, Brighton, Brentford, Luton, Hull, Leicester, Southampton, Swansea, Derby, Middlesbrough, Sunderland and even way back Millwall, as examples (and all teams with a better overall record than us over the past 50 years) recognise this then why are we so different?

Actually dismissing the possibility of a move is part of the overall problem. We are mired in the past as if it was some glorious history when it is actually a litany of never was.

 

Well everything else is going up around us.

What you're saying is utter tosh.

So, if I go into Bradford this morning it will be cheaper to get things from will it? Is that how it works at Morrisons @wetherbywhaler? I never knew is? I better do my shopping in Bradford then. Funny went in to Tessuti for a Stone Island jacket that cost £450 in Leeds but they had in Bradford and guess what it was still £450.

Do people that live in Bradford get cheaper holidays?

Petrol cheaper in Bradford? Better full my Merc up in Bradford then.

The only thing that's possibly cheaper in Bradford are house prices and that all depends on where you live as well.

I know loads of people from Bradford that have healthy bank accounts.loads!

Think to be honest you're thinking about your own back pocket but I fully believe the cheap season tickets is not under valuing the club and we need to start increasing the prices.

The way Bradford City currently operates we will lose fans and we won't get them back. We need to show more ambition and make the club full valued again.

 

When you lower the price of a brand its very difficult to put it back up. Every time sports direct buy up a name you can guarantee its heading for the bargain bin. Look, I get why prices are cheap as it stands, it's league 2 football on a pudding pitch. Most weeks the footballs little better than non league football. And now is not the time to raise them. But in the future, and possibly if we are still in this division, prices need to go up. Its simple business practice, your business costs go up every year. From what I read on here our rent goes up every year. Staff wages rise.
If your prices are significantly lower than your competitors its because your product is inferior and you're desperate.

 

Yet no one else does it. Could be unique to us and I'm not against aggressive pricing policies, but here's an example. Accrington, with one of the lowest budgets in league 1 and 2, early bird season ticket for existing holders is £229. That's less than a tenner a game. Still a ridiculously good price to watch professional football. I wouldn't even aim ours that high. £200, rock bottom price to watch professional football. Any lower your giving them away.

 

Something that's always puzzled me is the all seats same price, just makes no sense whatsoever, almost as much as flexi cards

 

Pay £150 get donkeys on a beach, £200 quid gets you donkeys on a bowling green.

 

I like this idea. He matches the additional revenue from ST price increase.

10k x £150 £1.5m
10k x £200 £2.0m

£500k in additional ST revenue to be matched. by Rupp.... £1m in additional overall budget.

How do we sell this to the club?

This shows commitment on both sides.

 

Overall your argument us sound.

But right now, in Div 2, an extra million in income (£150 to £250 per ST) is an enormous, 60%, increase.

At our level this is not something to be sniffed at. It may well have allowed us to keep Vaughn and Doyle whilst bringing in Novak and we have no idea what potential midfield targets we missed out on because our budget was used up,

Championship, Premiership you are spot on but for Div 2 you are very, very wrong.

 

If Rupp and Rhodes knew anything about football and had looked for a manager based on football rather than placating fans and hoping to sell more STs then they wouldn’t have appointed McCall.

 

Some slightly older profit/loss figures here for comparison:






Even in League 1 and 2 club owners are putting £millions in to be competitive.