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  1. Offcomedun

    Offcomedun Important Player
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    You and I may think they need to step back, but they don't. They know exactly what they are doing. The inflammatory language is calculated and deliberate. The phoney controversy about Lineker is calculated and deliberate.
    It's the oldest Tory trick in the book - blame the foreigners. Whenever they are facing defeat in the polls they do it. It's a deliberate policy designed to stoke up race hatred to distract people from the fecking awful mess they've made of running this country over the last thirteen years.
     
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  2. SimonW

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    Firstly let's be honest here this isn't the first time he has done this, it's a regular thing including being found guilty by an independent enquiry of being in breach of impartiality rules in October last year.

    And the problem with him is
    1. Unlike Lord Sugar (or previously Clarkson), he is employed directly by the BBC, who is indirectly employed. That automatically makes Linekers comments more linked to the BBC than then

    2. He actually has more sway with the masses than say, Andrew Neil. Someone who watches Andrew Neil is much more likely to knowledgeable about politics than the average person that follows Lineker. It highlights the issue we have right now where Joey Essex or Gemma Collins could make a political statement and the idiots who follow them with no questions asked would take it as fact without challenging it. You could argue that the likes of Lineker actually have a greater responsibility to pick their words right as they are talking to a more easily influenced audience.

    3. The BBC are in a difficult position right now. With more options on what to watch people are expecting output tailored to them. Rather than put the kind of thing they are world-renowned for they are having to mix it with broader more populist stuff and even then there is more and more pressure on the licence fee. It also puts pressure on what they pay staff. Lineker is one of the highest paid (but paid way less than commercial equivalents) and gets plenty of complaints about how much he is paid. So when he says something that is likely to upset half of their audience it's difficult for them. As we have recently seen with Clarkson even commercial outlets often feel the need to cut ties when they make comments that divide the audience.

    4. Linekers language was fairly incendiary. You can make a point about both the UK's general immigration policy or even this policy on illegal immigrants but he used language that he knew would cause controversy. I can't think of anything specifically with Andrew Neil but I suspect anything where he expressed an opinion was a lot more nuanced. When you do it like Lineker here or when you are the likes of Clarkson or Morgan you know what you are doing and know you may force your employers hand
     
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  3. Park bantam

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    I don’t support any political party so have absolutely no agenda. The three top men at the BBC are Tory party Members. There should be no problem at all in a sports presenter giving a point of view on a his own twitter account. This whole issue has been built up from a nothing story to front page. And it won’t end well for the BBC
     
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  4. Nottsy

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    It started way before 1932, though, didn’t it? With language used to get a depressed and beleaguered nation to scapegoat all there problems by dehumanising minorities. It’s plainly obvious to anyone with half a brain, that Lineker was calling out the language.
     
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  5. Bronco

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    :zzz:
     
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  6. Stafford Bantam

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    I agree that, what Lineker said regarding the language used, his tweet was factually correct.

    However, it was worded with the intention to provoke and provoke it certainly has.
     
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  7. Onside

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    Yes but he is wrong. Yes the 1930’s Germany did that. However, you can hardly say that Suella Bravermans language or intention was the same. I don’t remember German Nazi’s putting the ppl they designated as inhuman into hotels and giving them money. The opposite was the case, they threw them out of their homes for a pittance and left them to fend for themselves. I also couldn’t see Nazi’s rescuing them from the sea more likely to push them under. What he said was extremely offensive to a lot of ppl but that is not what is at issue here. It his refusal to acknowledge that his personal views cannot be aired on social media whilst working at the BBC. In my view this could well be the beginning of the end for the BBC.
    @Park bantam@Park bantam there has been a revolving door at the BBC for political parties to have their man in a position of oversight. Blair had several.
     
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  8. Inspector

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    Id imagine it was Mark Hughes decision not to speak to the BBC. Sparks doesn't decide who does the post match interviews, so I wouldn't expect him to tell Hughes who he can and can't speak to.
     
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  9. Tony Wilkinson

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    We would have to get them IN first .....
     
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    The club has an awful habit of own goals when things are starting to look up.
     
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  11. andyc

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    Where did i say i employed him illegally, ( when he gained permission to stay, i employed him) i employed him after he had gained his legal status, something done with my guarantee of work. Again read my posts correctly XCIV if you are going to comment on them ,definitely my last word on this.
     
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  12. Tony Wilkinson

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  13. Tony Wilkinson

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    That, and we know all the scores and scorers by that time of night....no interest..
     
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  14. Edin Nowhere

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    The way the BBC have handled this is a complete disaster.

    36 Tory MPs wrote to the BBC over this, you know those paragons of free speech who claim to hate cancel culture such as Lee Anderson, and Brendan Clarke-Smith (who claimed footballers kneeling was on par with giving Nazi salutes but then throws his dummy out when someone else makes a link to 1930s Germany).

    Due to that the BBC saw to take action and claim that it was agreed with Gary Lineker. Gary then said he didn't agree to it and that it was placed upon him so all his collegues stood down and it's snowballed since.

    The second reading of this bill is today and it will be torn apart because it is unlawful. People will claim that the Tories are fighting the good fight but we know what happens when unlawful bills are passed. £140m is handed to Rwanda for absolutely nothing. France take £110m of our money and pretend they are stopping our boats knowing it's not their issue once the boat hits the water.

    This is what gesture politics gets you. No substance and money thrown at things for no return, all for a culture war narrative.

    If Gary had said it's about time we stopped the boats the government with probably put that in their election flyers.
     
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  15. Onside

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    Either way refusing to stand firm having made a decision will be the beginning of the end for the BBC. They are literally saying we cannot hold the line on impartiality. If that is case then what is the point of the BBC, we don’t need a national broadcaster.
     
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  16. XCIV_Bantam

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    Fair points there. For me it boils down to tribalism. This blind faith that the party can do no wrong no matter how bad it gets. And that the opposition is wrong no matter what.

    there is zero nuance these days and no one is willing to admit fault really. Its always the blame game these days.

    Everyone thinks criticism of the government is an attack on from the left. When it isn’t at all. I don't go around with my lefty blinkers on looking for people to blame. I do assure you if labour were doing the same now i would still have the exact same position i have now on the matter.
     
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  17. Edin Nowhere

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    I would suggest the BBC have scored an own goal here.
     
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  18. king karl

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    People power ... Ain't it great
     
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  19. Tony Wilkinson

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    Can't think of any that match your description .. ?
     
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  20. Frank Castle

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    Rubbish. They only enforce it when it suits them. There are countless examples of BBC employees giving opinions on Political issues and nothing being done.

    The difference here is that the UK Government didn't like it and undoubtedly put pressure on the BBC to act.
     
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