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Football on the BBC

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Frank Castle, Mar 11, 2023.

  1. XCIV_Bantam

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    The BBC told him to apologise on air for something he tweeted on his personal account.

    He refused.

    So the BBC pulled him off MOTD, then everyone else did the same in solidarity. You would do the same for your friends.

    If Alan sugar can call corbyn a nazi on twitter why cant Gary say that the policy is akin to 1930s germany? Why is andrew neil allowed his own political opinions even though at the time he was a political journalist for the BBC?

    Its not impartiality at all and you know it.
     
  2. Tony Wilkinson

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    No I bloomin' wouldn't, not on this issue .....
     
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  3. XCIV_Bantam

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    Just to say

    “If the bbc have a neutrality stance“

    Alan sugar called corbyn a nazi on twitter. 0 issues with the BBC. Its targeted government censorship.
     
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    I do not think anyone in their right mind , has any issue with giving asylum to people who are genuinely in danger. The issue here is working out who they are from the ones arriving just for financial gain.
    It always amazes me , that its seems to be mostly youngish males getting off these boats.Especially when they arrive from France, a safe country , more than twice our area with a smaller population.
     
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    my response to that, is all BBC employees , should show neutrality , or resign, if that is the company policy.
     
  6. XCIV_Bantam

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    its not illegal when doing so to claim asylum. Its not illegal to claim asylum to country of your choice either. This plan WILL fail. Ive read the laws and this is illegal.

    That specifically is enshrined in law

    It’s because you cannot get here legally if you don't have the documents. I.E cant get on a plane without a passport.

    really odd how the government go after the refugees instead of the 450,000 economic migrants that come here… wonder why?

    I’ll tell you why, this government is so incompetent the only thing they can do is try to appease the right but at the same time they know migration is needed so they enact policies that they know wont work but then blame others instead of themselves I.E lefty lawyers, gary and david attenbough. Its just appeasement really

    if they wanted to make it all illegal, they would just leave the convention which is a straight forward process. But they havent done that.. ask yourself why…
     
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    How do you know , who is a genuine asylum seeker and who is an economic migrant , if they have no passport or documentation. As a small nation , that is one of the most overcrowded in europe and struggling for whatever reason to even look after the people already here, someone most draw a line somewhere. We can not just have an open door policy.
    I have genuine sympathy for people fleeing war and oppression. no matter where they are from. i have none for those just trying to work a ticket and the people smugglers, if ever caught , should get the most severe punishment available to the law.
     
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    First of all, being a Freelancer doesn't give you free rein, maybe if you work on an ad-hoc basis it does because more because they can choose to stop using you but when you are on a contract like Lineker is then you are still an employee no matter what kind of contract you are on.

    And actually, I don't believe he is a freelancer anymore. A few years back there was controversy about the TV industry as stars were being hired as freelancers, who were then registering as companies, would pay themselves a nominal amount to avoid certain tax liabilities and then would take dividends which didn't incur tax at the same rate and reduced their NI contributions. While there was debate over the situation with I believe Adrian Chiles beating HMRC in court over the practice the BBC got out in front of it and stopped hiring people in such onscreen roles. The only time they are hiring people on a Freelance basis is when they use ad-hoc on-screen talent, so with Football, they sometimes have occasional pundits doing one-off appearances but the regular people like Lineker & Shearer are on actual contracts as employees.

    The only time they are using Freelance regular on-screen talent is in situations such as Alan Sugar and Graham Norton where they pay an outside production company (as the charter requires them to do for a certain amount of their content) and the production company then hires the on-screen talent
     
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  9. XCIV_Bantam

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    How do you know , who is a genuine asylum seeker and who is an economic migrant,

    Like i said before if if they wanted 0 refugees they would just leave the convention. They wont. How does sending people to rwanda fix those trying to get in economically? They all use boats…

    Its a complete non problem manufactured by the government.

    to answer your other point we take in far less than other European nations both by total numbers and per head.

    Its just a complete non issue. The actual number 1 reason people enter illegally is via real documents on a holiday visa but then over stay. Its NOT via the asylum route. Thats what the daily mail and government want you to believe.
    if it was “full of criminals” why would there be an 87% approval rate? Why would the UN keep a mechanism that by your own admission is “completely open to abuse”?

    just as an aside,
    Have you spoken to a refugee or a refugee support worker?
     
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    Looks like the pundit free MOTD format is the future.


    According to the BBC’s Lizo Mzimba, last night’s Match of the Day was watched by 2.58 million TV viewers on BBC One. Up nearly half a million on last Saturday’s figure of 2.09 million according to the BARB overnights. This was the show’s biggest audience this year.

    An impressive audience increase of 23.4% for the new format platitude and cliché free version of Match of the Day. Political fans of Lineker are claiming that this it is due to rubber-necking, Guido’s pretty certain that they would have been making a very different claim if the #BoycottMOTD campaign had succeeded. Football without punditry could be the future. Would save TV licence fee payers millions…
     
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    You know what I think it could be a blessing in disguise. They should have a 30min basic highlight show, maybe even a bit earlier in the evening with no pundits. Then on a say a Friday has an in-depth analysis show of the past week's action kind of like they do on Monday Night Football. MNF often does a level of analysis that you really don't get on the general highlights show like MOTD or Goals on Sunday so imagine something like in a 90+ minute slot. They might need some new pundits as I'm not sure the likes of Shearer, Richards, Jenas, Murphy etc have the analytical minds of the likes of Neville and Cara (although maybe they do but MOTD doesn't really give them the chance to show that).

    I know in the past I've largely just record MOTD and skipped through the analysis as it's not that good. So just seeing all the goals and big events in a short program would be ideal for me on a Saturday Night (and another on Sunday) and I would then love to tune into something in-depth during the week
     
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    £10 to the burns unit that this drops like a stone next week - if he's not back.

    Political fans of Lineker are claiming that this it is due to rubber-necking, Guido’s pretty certain that they would have been making a very different claim if the #BoycottMOTD campaign had succeeded.

    So anyone who suggests it is due to rubber necking is immediately a lefty? Lol. Guido got its blinkers on as per. Thats the first “news outlet” to complain if farage was in the same position :joy:

    I watched it as i wanted to see what it was like without pundits. Wont be watching next week if it stays the same. I can just watch the same highlights on youtube a few hours after fulltime.
     
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    So you seem to have all the answers, i don't . Where do you think the line should be drawn, if at all.
    Was it 50,000 refugees in the past 12 months. 10 years at those levels and we have to build a new city the size of Bradford.
    We have housing shortages as it is , the NHs has massive waiting lists, you got a dentist. the schools have class sizes with such numbers the teachers can not give proper education, people are using food banks in greater numbers than ever.
    I have no problems with genuine refugee's , but at some point we have to start to solve the issues in this country, of which there are many, and to say tax the rich, is not the answer, as we all know ,they will find ways to shield their wealth, tax havens.
    Personally i have not spoken to any refugee's, not sure what relevance that has. I did assist a gentlemen who had out stayed his visa and when he was given permission to stay, i employed him. Unfortunately his attitude once he was legal was shocking. he had more unauthorised time off and sick leave , than my other employees put together, hence he is now unemployed and claimed benefits since the 2 years i ended his employment, so maybe my judgement on this is a little different to yours, but don't make assumptions about my intentions. We are all mostly imigrants to this land. my grandparents from southern Ireland my wife's from Italy.
     
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    “We have housing shortages as it is , the NHs has massive waiting lists, you got a dentist. the schools have class sizes with such numbers the teachers can not give proper education, people are using food banks in greater numbers than ever.”
    Do you not think the government should be fixing those problems?

    which goes back to my point about all this is to make people forget how useless this government actually is. I bet you nothing gets done on refugees i bet you.
    im sorry to tell you but removing 50,000 refugees will not fix those problems. Neither would stopping all migration. Most are on temporary 6-9 month work visas (i know this as i work with them)

    “and to say tax the rich, is not the answer

    The taxation on the richest today is the lowest it has ever been in recorded history. That is a fact. Trickle down economics is a smoke screen for the rich to hoard wealth. Its gotten to a point now where the economy is suffering due to a lack of disposable income at the bottom.

    so you think refugees and migrants are causing this countries woes (which is the exact same playbook from 1930s germany…) but you employed a genuine illegal immigrant? Im sorry but I don't believe you thats some cognitive dissonance of the highest magnitude!

    I work with economic migrants every day, very nice very knowledgeable and not workshy at all.
     
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    Where have i said remove all the refugee's.
    where have i said they are the route of all this countries issues.
    where have i said migrants are workshy or nasty and unintelligent.I wrote about the 1 gentleman i tried to help, a guy that had been here some 10 years illegally, a guy that i liked, hence my assistance with his case and the promise of employment
    Its a fact that the richest, will on the whole try and hide most of their wealth, the higher you raise taxes.
    its obvious from your replies , you have a vested interest in all this, you work with migrants everyday.
    It also appears to me that you are blinkered and can only see your side of the discussion , where as i try to be a little more balanced, read my posts correctly.
    I have no issues with genuine refugees, you seem to think that everyone entering this country is genuine and that none are actually just economlc.
    My last post on this subject
    Have a good afternoon.
     
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    If you look back on this thread you'll find that this is definitely not the case. There are people on here who would stop all asylum seekers coming here, regardless of how much danger/actual persecution they are exposed to. The phrase 'tough shit' was used by one.

    Many people on the right don't give a flying one about how much danger people are in. Everything is about impact on us, however marginal it actually is. Issues like compassion, fairness, accepting any responsibility for the UK's historic role in creating the conditions for current conflicts etc simply don't come into it. They don't care.
     
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    My vested interest is being a decent human being. My vested interest is first they came

    You seem to think everyone entering is a criminal or at least a vast majority, and everyone else who enters drains on the resources of the country.
    None of these things are true and are easily dismissed and disproven.

    Do you not like your beliefs to be challenged, could maybe be suggested you are being a bit of a snowflake at the minute? All this is, is healthily discussion regarding the political landscape. I am tired of this you are against me therefore my enemy nonsense these days.
     
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    I forecast Lineker will be back probably before next weekend and then probably leave the BBC in the summer tripling his income. I don’t think there was many people who didn’t know his political views before this blew up. They should have ignored the shrill voices of Tory MPs and just forgot about it. I wish they would turn their mind to some of the extreme Woke stuff that is about at the moment instead of pandering to it
     
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    Where did i say i employed him illegally, ( when he gained permission to stay, i employed him) i employed him after he had gained his legal status, something done with my guarantee of work. Again read my posts correctly XCIV if you are going to comment on them ,definitely my last word on this.
     
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    Maybe, but they need to consult the ordinary license payer. I haven’t watched MOTD since City was in the PL. I agree on the woke stuff, it is beyond laughable. I think it was because it was so obnoxious that there was a hue and cry for his head. I don’t understand the appeal of Lineker, he was a good striker, he just irritates me not for his political views, but he has an arrogance about him which is a right turn off.
     
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