Election 2019 (with Prediction Poll)

A problem Labour now have is that their membership back Corbyn massively. It's the membership who will decide the next leader too. They can't just decide to switch to a centre left party.

 

Theres every potential that once brexit is done and the people who voted for it cant blame remainers any more. That they see the whole mess for what it is. Theres no guarantee Boris can survive trying to meet the needs of the northern voters and the selfish needs of the southern tory voters. I know for a fact he will support his base not those who merely lent their votes.

Should be an entertaining watch. Seeing them all turn on themselves.

 

Really !!
It won't matter to you will it, your bailing out and going abroad or that's what you was saying ?.

 

Whilst Labour have Momentum within the party calling everyone a Nazi and attacking anyone with a different view to them and coming up with open door immigration policies and carbon neutral by 2030 at conference etc, your run of the mill voter who you have to attract won't vote for them.

Just seen Sadiq Khan on the TV, seems to be one of the few who aren't deluded that they actually won the argument.

 

Khan has enough on his plate as Mayor of London.

 

Well dont know if ill get a visa or whatever the rules are going to be regarding that.

 

And what both need is a better class of politician. It's not just a UK problem; far too many politicians everywhere are more interested in enriching themselves than their countries, or in riding their own particular hobbyhorses without looking at the bigger picture.

And as I write that, I realise that you could use that argument against me on the subject of Brexit! C'est la vie...

RCB

 

But we wouldn't.

 

No, definitely not a politician...but certainly blessed, or would that be cursed, with an ability to see the other side.

Speaking of the self-serving, expense-fiddling, hobbyhorse-riding class, over here we had that scandal in the Senate a few years ago, when several members became just too greedy and blatant in their self-enrichment. And at the provincial level, our current Premier claims to be for the common people, and to want to eliminate wasteful spending...but has spent $10,000 or so on anti carbon-tax stickers which petrol stations have been forced to affix to their pumps or else, and has reserved some $30 million (!) to take the federal government to court over the carbon tax -- a case which is generally acknowledged to be a losing one. Meanwhile, provincial funding for a light-rail system in nearby Hamilton was pulled yesterday, using the excuse that the costs for building the system will rise too much. This from a gov't that claimed the provincial deficit was going to be some $15 billion, or just about double what it actually was! As some have pointed out, costs of a project generally do indeed rise higher than the original estimates, but generally not by 400-500%.

FPP vs. PR -- I don't think PR is better, to be honest. My concerns would be i) the inherent instability of coalition governments, ii) the fact that you may no longer be represented by the politician from the party you have voted for, and iii) that old saying about politics making for strange bedfellows. But yes, FPP does have the disadvantages you mention.

On point iii), consider the current case of another country which I know very well indeed, Estonia. The poor president has had to apologise yet again, this time to Finland, for insulting comments made by a politician -- the Interior Minister no less -- from one of the coalition parties, EKRE (The Conservative People's Party). EKRE had been quiet for over a week now, and I was beginning to get worried! But to eliminate EKRE from the coalition will mean the fall of the government, and the current prime minister seems very much to love being PM, so much so that he'll countenance any bad behaviour by coalition members. No sense of shame would be a fair comment...

RCB

 

Corbyn has announced that Labour will vote against the withdrawal bill on Friday.

It's as if last Thursday never happened. I'm sure some leave voting seats might not actually tow the Corbyn line however anymore.

 

It must have been passed at the party conference that Labour try and disrupt all things Brexit, with Boris's majority it won't make the slightest bit of differance.
Labour will vote against it on principle as the main opposition party, to try and give the party a little creadability after Thursdays disaster.
As you say have they learnt nothing from Thursdays result.

 

I wish the Commie old fool would disappear to Venezuela, and take his fellow left wing loonies with him.

 

Thornberry as Labour Leader.

It's as if Labour never want to get into power. Let's swap Islington North for Islington South, that will win it!