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Edin in the News

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Interested Bystander, Aug 28, 2018.

  1. Fuzzy

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    Apologies for resurrecting an old thread but it would appear that the prospect of feeder clubs may well be receding thanks to proposed reforms to the international transfer system being put forward by FIFA:

    FIFA stakeholders have backed ‘groundbreaking’ transfer reforms that include a limit on the number of loans teams can make. A Fifa task force recommended that clubs be limited to loaning six to eight players per season, because the current system can result in “stockpiling” and “sometimes prevents young players from fully developing their talent”. The internal report, commissioned by President Gianni Infantino as part of his commitment to reform the transfer system, also recommended that clubs be permitted to make just three loans to or from the same club in a season.

    The wide-ranging proposals were ratified by the Fifa Football Stakeholders Committee at a meeting in London yesterday. They will now go before the Fifa Council at its next meeting in Kolkata, India, on October 26th for final approval.

    https://trainingground.guru/articles/groundbreaking-fifa-transfer-reforms-clear-first-hurdle

    This is great news for football, anything which reduces the viability of PL clubs hoarding players also reduces the likelihood of B Teams or feeder clubs being introduced lower down the league pyramid and will hopefully see the end of the reviled U23 experiment in the Checkatrade.

    From a City perspective, whatever Edin's thoughts on feeder clubs are, it's not hard to see how our "development" model could put us in a good position to take advantage of the increase in decent young (U23) players that these proposed changes would likely bring to the market.
     
  2. Dennis

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    That is very good news and if agreed, should put an end to this 'feeder' club nonsense.

    A thread on the FIFA proposals has been started by @StaffordBantam@StaffordBantam in the General Football forum

    https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/fifa-proposals.1235/
     
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  3. SimonW

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    See for English football I’m not sure it is all good as I just don’t feel the lower leagues are 'fit for purpose' as a development system anymore. A lot of talented players over the last 10 years who haven't been swayed by PL money have ended up stagnating because the lower league clubs simply price them out of a move and by the time they have reached a point they can force a move they are past a point where they are deemed viable options. We also simply don’t see players being loaned out to lower league teams and coming back regularly as better players in the way we used to which seems to highlight the quality difference in coaching and the level of football they get exposed to. It just to me seems like teams may end up looking even more to foreign players who are better priced and are often from clubs who have had the resources to give them a higher level football education.

    Not that I think PL teams academies are all doing a great job, the likes of Chelsea and City horde players and won’t give them a chance in the first team and unlike the likes of United who look to do right by academy products hold onto them too long rather than letting them go if they haven’t broken through at a decent age so they can still have high quality careers (which is probably why the lower half of the PL has way more ex United youngsters in it than these other clubs as they get a high level education and let go early enough that they don’t stagnate) but as long as English lower league clubs charge an 'English premium' that’s so high it’s going to cause an even bigger roadblock for young talent.


    Also from a cost POV they may not even stop hording youngsters, they may just horde then and not loan them out so won’t even help the lower league clubs that way either
     
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  4. How

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    Many recent examples of players playing in the lower leagues and being successful higher up particularly with England.

    Shows their is a pathway if they get the move at the right time
     
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    That's the thing though, a move at the right time. If you look at most of the ones who have made it to top 10 PL clubs and England internationals it's been those who weren't as highly regarded who moved up step by step. Many of the most promising ones haven't moved because of the price tag attached. Even those who have moved like Dele Ali go for stupid money, back in 2015 when he went to Spurs he cost £5mill which was crazy money for a League One player. That's alot of money for a player with no pedigree, just potential. You saw people around Europe around a similar age with nearly 100 senior appearances in one of the top10 leagues who had champions league experience and senior caps moving for the same amount around that time.
     
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    I think young players are either starting to get more demanding or more confident that they want to move on loan at first from big clubs.

    Look at those players like Sancho and Neilson and Lookman who all went to Germany on loan or are in Germany now and proving themselves at the highest level. I think the German clubs have less pressure on the coaches and are more forgiven than in England so the players get the chance. They don’t just sack the managers and pay 10 million in compensation like we do over here.

    In England we don’t have that. It’s all results now, now, now and if it doesn’t work we get rid and start again. Players like Ndong and Dijibodji at Sunderland who were mercenaries. I do not for one minute believe there was no young kid as good as them in the Sunderland youth team but we just sign players who are ready now.

    Too much money and not enough patience.
     
  7. Fuzzy

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    Man Utd academy is streets ahead of everyone else when it comes to churning out professional footballers. If you look at the PL, Champ and L1 there are more Man Utd academy alumni playing in each of those divisions than any other academy. Being in the PL and having a Cat 1 academy doesn't automatically guarantee that you can produce decent players, at the end of 2017 Swansea boasted the 2nd worst record in the country when it came to the number of academy products playing professional football.

    Of the 70 pro footballers in 16/17who started out in the Man Utd academy, how many played in the Man Utd first team? 10? Even if it's that many it means that there were still 60 pro standard players being kept out of the pool available to everyone else.

    EPPP may have started out with the best intentions of creating great English players but it effectively stopped youth production outside of the PL, it is no longer viable for smaller clubs to invest in youth development because any decent prospects are snapped up by the Cat 1 academies for peanuts so the returns don't cover the costs. Lower league clubs aren't producing good young English players because there's no point, not because they are incapable.
     

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