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Edin in the News

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Interested Bystander, Aug 28, 2018.

  1. Interested Bystander

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    Martin Samuel Daily Mail Today

    Rule is needed to halt spectre of feeder clubs

    Bradford City have been going since 1903; Edin Rahic, the chairman, has been with them since 2016. So that's 115 years plays two: even so, Rahic has big plans for his club. He wants to turn them into a rich man's reserve team.

    'I believe feeder clubs should be allowed,' he says, 'so a Premier League club can have a formal relationship with teams lower down the league, and use them to develop younger players.'

    So that's Bradford done, then. The club had a couple of seasons in the Premier League between 1999 and 2001, but feeder clubs could not compete in the same competition as their masters. Bradford's progress would have a ceiling; their fans could abandon the dream of reaching the top, on their terms, again.

    And what of the youth of Bradford, once the club starts importing large groups of teenagers from outside the city? Isn't developing young players exactly what Bradford should do - specifically, young Bradfordians?

    Rahic is passing through yet if his plans were ever realised he would torch Bradford and its history for the chance of recruitment on the cheap.

    Indeed, if he talks like this in public, you can bet he says it at Football League meetings, too. One day, he might find enough fellow travellers dabbling in club ownership, to get his plans to the vote. Rahic is German, part of an investment group with his partner Stefan Rupp.

    Not everything they do is bad, but it shouldn't be that English football is left vulnerable to owners who would strip proud, long-established football clubs of their independence. More respect has to be shown for the traditions of lower-league football in this country.

    When Bradford were in the Premier League their derby games with Leeds were fearsome occasions. Might they be denied that in future, to better serve a former rival? These are more than just casual opinions. If heeded, they have the power to change the game here, to damage irreparably. Feeder clubs are the death of competition and a rule should be passed to take them off the table, permanently.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6103703/Youve-not-paid-attention-think-Chelsea-fall-without-Roman-Abramovich.html
     
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  2. Offside

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    Obviously a peice with disgraceful racist undertones, well according to1 or 2 on here anyway.
     
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  3. Campbell's soup

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    It’s football in general that’s lost it’s soul and identity - not just Bradford City.
     
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  4. Ulysses S Grant

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    Good summing up about what it would do for English football and something Rahic should read and realise that he can't change English Football. One man standing against the tide is onlt going to result in the one man being hurt. Let's face it he's just a Bosnian German not a Jewish prophet with miracle powers to part the sea.

    The only headline I want to read now is "Bradford City Replace Head Coach With A Proper Football Manager".

    Rahic can calm the storm, but only by accepting that football decides how it will be run not one sole voice of a Chairman with mad cap ideas. He might change it over a very very long period if he sticks around, but in football only Evolution will work over Revolution.
     
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  5. Dennis

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    As you suggest, one owner standing against the tide is likely to be unsuccessful.

    I hope Rahic knows his English history. The last Canut who tried this got his feet very wet! ;)
     
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  6. Just Looking

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    Hmmm. An article from what people on the left call the “Daily Heil” and you actually make a joke about the racist connotations? I’m a “righty” myself, but that article is poorly written and misleading. All to stoke tension.

    As they say, if you cant see the problem, you’re part of it.
     
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  7. RowZ

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    Isn't It just a rehash of a few quotes from a much better written and more informative piece in The Times?
     
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    Confirming that your a pompous 1 trick pony .You seem to delight in fetching racism onto nearly every discussion, the owners nationalities dont come into it , they haven't a clue how football in this country work's, collins is english he is clueless as well . Our club is being destroyed by this experiment why cant people see that .
     
  9. CT Bantam

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    Regardless of your view of the tone of the article or the paper it comes from, a feeder club model is not something I would want our club to be involved with.

    You need to strip out any bias you may have and examine the facts.
     
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  10. Storck

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    How?
     
  11. Ricc

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    absolutely. so xenophobic this article. its a disgrace. obviously bitter and has an agenda against the club, I'd say.
     
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  13. Just Looking

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    Yep, it seems so. But I’d say with a slightly different take on it. It’s very scaremongering and “that’s the end for Bradford etc”, as opposed to the original article which seemed more balanced.
     
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    I don’t delight in fetching racism into every conversation. It’s the first time I’ve mentioned it in the last couple of days, as there does seem an undertone for some people. The race card is played too often, which I don’t like, but I think there’s something in it at the moment.

    I do get that most people don’t like Rahic because of the way he’s running the club, but some people don’t like him because of that and also because he happens to be foreign. I honestly think some people wouldn’t act like they do if he wasn’t foreign. Case in point is the guy who shouted up to him at the last match.
     
  15. Park bantam

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    Getting to the subject of the article “feeder clubs” I have always despised the thought however football has now changed rapidly there is no longer a ladder to the top unless you can pay for it. Lots of clubs have no chance of progression. So if an arrangement probably an informal one for clubs like ours can provide us with good players why not.
     
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    That's convenient isn't it.

    you always despised the idea of feeder clubs but now Edin's mentioned it you're all for it.
     
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  17. Park bantam

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    Not at all clubs are filling their squads now with loans from different clubs anyway why not an arrangement with one.
     
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  18. Dennis

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    The rules are already there for loan signings ...

    No more than 5 loan signings in the match day squad and
    No more than 4 loan signings from another club of which no more than 2 may be over the age of 23.

    That seems reasonable to me and shouldn't prevent clubs having an informal arrangement between themselves so long as those limits aren't breached.

    But any extension of numbers particularly to the 2nd rule and the 'feeder' clubs for want of a better phrase will start to lose their own identity. And despite what Rahic might want that would be the death knell of many smaller clubs who have their own promotion aspirations and I include ourselves in that group. Instead of Bradford City, it wouldn't be long before we became Man City II (or even worse)! The PL teams in particular have huge of squads of U-23 players who aren't quite good enough or experienced enough for their first team. 'Loaning' them out in vast quantities to their tame feeder club would help solve that particular problem of the PL clubs and provide more competitive game time than the development leagues.

    Good help lower league football if Rahic's suggestion ever becomes reality.

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  19. Fuzzy

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    I vehemently disagree with the notion of feeder clubs (and whilst we're at it, "B teams") in the Football League and I would be aghast if I ever thought that City were at risk of becoming one. However, although the wording of the original Edin quote in The Times was a bit ambiguous, it appeared to me that he was advocating feeder clubs in general, especially as he went on to talk in terms of transparency and implementing regulations to keep things above board rather than it all happening behind closed doors. In fact, it's not hard to see how a club operating on his business model of picking up younger players and improving them to sell on would benefit if 4 or 5 lower league clubs became feeder clubs and reduced the competition when it came to signing youngsters to develop.
     
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    Not a surprising approach from the DM, cherry picking a part of an existing article and rehashing to suit.

    I'm no lover of everything Rahic appears to be doing, but in terms of the Times article he was bemoaning the current EPL loans approach of insisting players get played, loan fees etc etc - which I think is a reasonable criticism.

    Rahic seemed to be proposing 'feeder' clubs so that primarily more formal arrangements can be set up on loans, in theory removing the elements he was being critical of. He may have a further agenda, thin end of the wedge or whatever but hat's how it came across.

    Doesn't mean the arrival of B teams as that will never happen IMO, yet that seems to be the conclusion being drawn with the article and I'm not sure why - the two are completely different.
     
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