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Covid & Face Masks at VP

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by king karl, Aug 14, 2021.

  1. Edin Nowhere

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    Looking at the scenes up and down the country yesterday, it's clear that the narrative pushed by many on twitter and the media does not represent large sections of society.

    If we were to believe the media and twitter then stadiums would be next to empty yesterday.
     
  2. Aaron Baker

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    I didn't go yesterday so can't talk about the specific behaviour but I think we need to get away from the mindset that people are behaving irresponsibly or throwing it away. People's true colours about the impact of the virus are just being seen now the restrictions are removed. It's a reflection of the process moving towards the next stage when it's risks are accepted and individually managed. If there's a spike then there's a spike.

    Big events are simply going to become an individual balance of risks. In theory there were about 240 people at VP yesterday who would have been carrying the virus. If that's too many and too greater risk for the individual then it's going to be a personal decision whether to attend or not. We can no longer rely on other people protecting us, we have to make decisions to protect ourselves.
     
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  3. WilsdenBantam

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    Tbf Huddersfield social distanced well yesterday judging by their crowd ;)

    Didn’t take long for the premier league fans to disappear, sure it’s was all Covid though…
     
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  4. Frank Castle

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    People want to get back to normality. They've had 18 months of utter crap and just want to go out and have fun like they did before. I loved seeing the scenes in football grounds around the country yesterday. It's time for people to stop being so scared and live life to the fullest.

    If you're still concerned about COVID then stay at home but stop chastising people for wanting to get back to normal. It's called freedom of choice.
     
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    No. Not covid related, though.
     
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    The media have been as bad as the government for misinformation and fear tactics designed to have people at loggerheads with each other. I wasn't there yesterday but was at forest and I realised those going to games and complaining about others regarding covid reminds me of people who go to away games and then complain they can't see because everyone isn't sat down. Human nature has began to return after 18 months or so, don't be surprised or annoyed when folk start hugging each other when a goal goes. Emotion is a natural character trait.
     
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  7. SimonW

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    This is what massively annoys me. This should have been a wake-up call, not just for this country but the whole world to actually become better people. We are so inconsiderate as a people of others, you stand in a queue and some idiot stands mm's away from you coughing and sneezing, people go into shops and pick up everything on a shelf having not washed their hands for hours (Just look at the analysis done on peanuts in bars where there is a worrying amount of urine and faecal matter found in them meaning people don't even wash their hands after using the bathroom); for example. If people want to potentially kill themselves then fine go ahead BUT there are ways of doing that without risking others, go swallow a dozen e's and do the world a favour.

    Actually making social distancing an actual thing people as much as possible, being careful of where you cough/sneeze, regularly washing/antibacing our hands, wearing masks in public to reduce all air born illness spreading and the likes could all have had real benefits to the world beyond covid but no people have just gone back to being selfish little pricks.

    And as I've said elsewhere this isn't even the big one that we have seen scientists warn off for decades. COVID's fatality rate while fairly high in total numbers is simply down to how infectious it is, percentage-wise deaths are low. The one they have warned about is one that has this kind of infection rate BUT the fatality rate of something like Ebola and rather than this making us more prepared for it we have gone back to square one
     
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    Are you talking about during COVID or pre-covid because people invading your personal space in shops is pretty much the norm
     
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    The problem is their decision doesn't just impact them. What happens if you are one of the people where unknown to you your immune response to the vaccine is really low to a point where pretty quickly its giving you very little protection from having serious issues if you catch it? Then you have people who for medical reasons CAN'T be vaccinated. You making a choice not to take precautions could have a chain reaction where you end up killing one of these people without having direct contact with them.

    It's as if they are being asked to chop off both of their arms, being considerate with little things like wearing a mask isn't a hardship. Why is being a responsible member of society such a hard thing for some people to do?
     
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    If you've had a vaccine that doesn't stop you getting the virus - but are living your life as if you're protected - then one day it is inevitable that you will come into contact with a carrier. Nothing can be done about that

    If you have a medical condition enough that is serious enough for you to be unable to be vaccinated then I'm sure those people have already got used to taking medical risks into their thought process in their daily lives even before covid.

    And I completely agree that things like wearing a mask aren't actually "hard" in isolation but equally they're of unknown efficacy. It's not like people are being told wear a mask and it will definitively stop the spread so it's all just marginal reductions in risk in a crowd where 98.5% of people are likely to be virus free and a significant proportion will be vaccinated anyway. That isn't to say that people shouldn't try to reduce the risks to others - they should - but the current perception of risk seems to be accepted in daily life without any widespread additional precautions so it is what it is.
     
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  12. SimonW

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    Based on some tweets I saw they didn't even have catering open before the match which is equally crazy. Why not give people who want to get their half-time refreshments before the game where there is fewer crowds and hence reduce the crowds at half time even by a small amount
     
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    I also wore a mask throughout yesterday's match. I also had to deal with a return trip that involved a bus, 5 trains and a taxi, all of which I was fully masked for. I also stuck to drinking outside at my pre-match pub of choice.

    I fully accept that at some point I will come into contact with the virus (I may already have done so), especially if I want to get back to some sort of normality, so my strategy now is to focus on protecting myself as much as possible, by being fully vaccinated and by wearing high grade (FFP3) masks in higher risk scenarios.

    Being sat in your seat, watching the match, is not particularly high risk, as there was/is a good circulation of air in what is, essentially, an outdoor environment. Even so, I chose to wear a mask whilst watching the match.

    Rightly or wrongly (depending on your point of view) the government have handed responsibility back to the individual and it is now down to each individual to decide for themselves what level of protection they choose to have. No level of protection will be a 100% guarantee that you won't catch the virus, just as some who take no precautions may escape the virus but, for me, it seems sensible to at least take a few simple measures to improve my chances of not picking the virus up.

    I won't be up for Tuesday's match, but that is to do with travel difficulties, rather than COVID. I am planning to be at the subsequent matches though, starting with Mansfield on Saturday.
     
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    No, you can catch it if you are in contact for seconds. The whole 15mins thing is largely just an arbitrary number based on initial reports from China of the average length of time of contact people who got covid had with an infected person (Which let's be honest with their whole cover up of the whole thing including refusing any of their data used in the findings about anything COVID related from being seen by anyone from outside China because of 'national security' can anything they say be trusted as it cant be peer-reviewed). You obviously need a number to set guidelines for track and trace otherwise you could be stopped at traffic lights and someone with Covid behind you and you would get pinged so that's the number they have generally gone with
     
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    Why should your freedom of choice have a negative impact on others? Only thinking about yourself should see you chastised. Simple precautions not for the good of yourself but the good of the people you come into contact and the people they subsequently come into contact with shouldn't be something people are against and screaming about being restricted. Life is a constantly changing thing and humans are a pretty adaptable species so adjusting our way of life in a small way where we can still do things we like doing but in a way that is considerate to others. Just a little self-awareness and social responsibility goes a long way to actually allowing us to go about our lives relatively unrestricted.
     
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    This is taken from our government website so depending how close the players got and for how long is key. This would be deemed as a close contact and require isolation.


    • anyone who has had any of the following types of contact with someone who has tested positive for COVID-19:
      • face-to-face contact including being coughed on or having a face-to-face conversation within one metre
      • been within one metre for one minute or longer without face-to-face contact
      • been within 2 metres of someone for more than 15 minutes (either as a one-off contact, or added up together over one day)
     
  17. Edin Nowhere

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    Why should everyone live their lives in a way you feel comfortable is the counter arguement.
     
  18. Aaron Baker

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    You're almost making out like there should be no nuance or proportionality about this though.

    Just becomes something reduces risk for others from what is a small percentage risk by another, unspecified, marginal factor doesn't mean it has to be done. We don't have to completely eradicate risk as long as everyone knows what they're getting themselves into. That's especially true when the other person isn't completely eradicating their own risk anyway....in this instance by putting themselves into a large group of people, travelling, etc, etc.
     
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    If it helps in any way, I can categorically assure you that asymptomatic infection is not a driver of epidemics. Well people that do not have symptoms cannot be infectious. Even if they could be infectious, a mask will not protect you.

    Anyway, great to be back at a rocking VP yesterday. The fans were great, certainly in the NW Corner where we are.

    Football wise, I thought Evans did well in the middle but our lack of composure in rare periods of possession was concerning. I liked the look of Angol although there were elements of luck and generous goalkeeping about his goals.

    Can't wait to see Songo'o start. We really have missed someone like him for a very long time.
     
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    It's always been like that, human nature hasn't and never will change even after a pandemic. I'm not saying it's right but that sort of selfishness will never go away l.
     

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