COVID-19

so you are advocating using a figure you admit will be wrong to win a bet.

is that fraud?

 

I am not actually bothered about winning the bet because that would sadly mean more innocent souls will no longer be alive however I do believe we will see in excess of 600k deaths which if the vaccine works then that figure should be alot less and more on par with the avg year death rate which is what I said earlier today.

 

maybe rephrase the bet and see if anyone is interested

 

How can it be if that's the same way that has been used in the past?

At the end of the day over 130k have supposedly died due to Covid despite many having underlying health issues but how many have actually died directly of Covid?

If 130k vaccinated people were to die despite underlying health issues why couldn't that be put down to the vaccine in the same way Covid is used?.

 

I have said I expect over 600k deaths that is has clear as I can make it. If the vaccine works the toll should be no where near that figure.

 

so you are no longer claiming the vaccine will cause the deaths like originally just that you don’t believe the vaccine works. That is a massive leap

 

Because you openly admit and argue that the figures used in the past are wrong.

 

I haven't changed my stance if there is 600k plus deaths then the vaccine will have be part of the cause just like Covid is part of the cause at present. The more people that take the vaccine then the more people will succumb.

Look at stats from today isn't it 223 that have died how many of them were vaccinated? We never get told that do we and why is that afterall we always kept getting told it was the unvaccinated who were dying before.

 

that was your original position. Whereas now it seems to be deaths will increase for any reason whatsoever but you think vaccine will be part of it

 

Yet everyone else is using them to say what they think is right but if I do it's wrong?.

Covid deaths are nowhere near the amount we are being fed you know that I know that and everyone else does too.

Again I will go back to an earlier question that no one has answered. Why were there hardly any flu deaths last year but we are being told to expect massive amounts this year.

 

If someone openly admits the figures are wrong and then uses it for their own argument then that is wrong. You can not have it both ways.

as for the flu deaths I would hazard a guess it is probably due to less contact last year and mask wearing. Neither of which are currently in the plan for this year

 

The vaccine will be part of more deaths yes that is what I am saying

 

Exactly no one can say the 130k plus deaths are Covid but that's what we are being led to believe but if I use the method I am wrong.

Like you say if they are wrong I can't use them but if it's how they are used then I am right to use the same method am I not. You can't have one rule for one and not the other


And I would argue flu deaths were stated as Covid ones just like everything else was.

 

I see the Coronavirus Emergency Act was passed tonight.

So the government sees the need to hold on to extra powers, but doesn't appear to believe any safety net needs to remain in place.

I think they will get a very rude awakening the next time they ask for the public to follow any type of restriction going forward.

 

they will find out soon then when the enact Plan B. Already heard rumbling from various NHS bodies saying it will be needed soon especially if they don’t want the backlog to get any worse

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/19/implement-plan-b-winter-measures-now-or-risk-nhs-crisis-johnson-warned

They might as well lock us all down now.

The usual voices have already started calling for restrictions so this is obviously going to be the narrative for the next few months. Obviously the government needs to act sooner rather than later (apparently) so might as well just do it.

All the while normal people know the risks and are literally just getting on with normal life. There seems to be a massive disconnect between what the people whose job it is to critique the government want to happen and what the average Joe in the street is willing to put up with.

 

Understand your position but you've gone wildly off course from saying the vaccines will cause death to simply saying that they won't stop covid deaths. There's a world of difference between the two.

The excess deaths over the course of the pandemic is less than the reported covid deaths (almost uniquely amongst large countries) but its still a big number. Whether the actual number of covid deaths or 100,000 or 120,000 or 140,000 does it actually matter? Whatever the range is its still significant.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

I doubt we'll ever get down to the 600k level you're talking about again but why should we when there's a new deadly disease. That doesnt mean that the vaccines are killing people though, just that they're imperfect.

 

There were times last night watching that crap that I saw the benefit of lockdown, but I don't think that is a reason to push the button.

 

Baring last year deaths in the UK we have never touched 600k before so my point is if the vaccine does what is hoped then the numbers should fall way back down to the normal AVG or thereabouts.

My point regarding the vaccine is that because has claimed by professor of medicine in court and by other doctors across the globe we won't know until at least 2023 at the very earliest if it has been successful or not and also whether it has given people further health issues that is why many still say it is a 'trial Vaccine'.

Not one person in the medical profession have I heard say that they can guarantee it is even fully safe at this present time

We have already seen increased issues in teenagers since their roll out began and myocarditis has also risen in people's health not to mention other adverse reactions to it seen across the globe.

Miscarriages and babies born with shaking or fits seem to be happening more lately too is that because pregnant women are being advised to have the jab?

Until there is proof of its safety I will always maintain my stand on the matter but I hope I am proved completely wrong

 

That's true although it has got close before and adjusting for population it was probably pretty similar, even as recently as 2003 there was a higher rate of death in the population than there was last year. However that's not really the point.

We've now got one more major thing to kill us so why wouldn't it affect the numbers? If cancer just appeared out of nowhere the deaths going forward wouldn't be the same as before it existed.

That wouldn't mean that Chemo was killing them by the way.

And that's fine. People can argue whether you're wrong or right about it but I don't actually mind or care. It's your right to turn it down for whatever reason you see fit whether it makes logical sense to others or not.

But the idea that any excess deaths going forward will be because of the vaccine rather than because a deadly disease has appeared out of nowhere is nonsensical. As is the idea that there won't continue to be more deaths than previously.