COVID-19

Agree and it's weird. But it's why I picked that example.

 

Do you know what. For the sake of my sanity I'll agree with you.

I should have put "They can use the symptom/disease that killed them and not guess at what caused that." like in the example of smoking.

 

Surely the fact that it is weird would suggest there are other reasons behind it, which I have suggested at, which do not hold for vaccine caused deaths. There is no embarrassment or blame attaching to have the cause of death as covid vaccine complications/reaction whereas having smoking as the official cause of death could cause upset for surviving families.

 

Maybe, as I mentioned I'd not really looked into it before but I knew that smoking was massively under reported.

I can't think it would be the avoidance of blame, there's probably more or equal amounts of "blame" with alcoholism. I'd kind of assumed it was relating to the wide variety of reasons that smoking related illnesses can come about and they were difficult to get to the bottom off without an autopsy. I don't think that's actually the case though after I've looked into it. It's very odd though.

Whether it would follow through into vaccine deaths? Who knows.

 

With thoings like alcoholism and other drug abuse by the time someone dies it is generally accepted by their families what has caused the death and is already out there. A lot of times they have, or are already, dealing with the blame whereas for the blame to be pointed at smoking people seem to get upset by, or there is a perceived thinking that they will, I think this is due to the more accepted nature of smoking in society, especially in the past. Families do not want the death of their loved ones directly attributed to the actions of that person. Death by vaccine complication/side effects carry no such stigma.

 

I really can't see the difference between smoking and alcohol to be honest. I think a lot of families accept that smoking has an effect on their loved ones, especially if the cancer they have is commonly linked to it.

But who knows really. Probably need a doctor to explain their thought process. It does mean that they can be an imperfect and subjective measure though.

 

Use the same method for both and not pick and choose to make things to suit then and only then can you see what's correct .

Tbh I really don't care what you think I have provided evidence to back my thoughts up something you asked for and I will say what I think is right. If you or others don't like it there is little I can do about it and I could send you hundreds of stats and videos to why I think the way I do .

Also just as a matter of interest why have you and others skipped past the link where I posted conflict of interest would love for you to explain your thoughts.

 

So which are you saying is the right way to do it?

 

If a unvaccinated person dies of Covid but has no underlying health issues then Covid is the cause.

If a unvaccinated person dies of Covid with health issues then health issues should be put down as the main cause.

If a vaccinated person dies of Covid with no health issues then the vaccine should be the cause.

If a vaccinated person dies of Covid with health issues then health issues should be the cause.

That way you are using the same method for both stats.

 

Surely if that happens than Covid should be the cause as they have died of Covid, why is the vaccine to blame? Has the vaccine caused the death somehow? if so then they haven't died of covid

 

Sorry you are correct I misworded it, what I should have said is.

If someone dies after taking the vaccine but has underlying health issues then the latter should be the cause.

If someone dies after taking the vaccine but has no health issues then the vaccine should be the cause.


We should use the stats from those that were healthy beforehand because someone who may have had underlying health issues who is to say that their ill health is the actually cause. Covid made of sped up their death granted but the same could be said that the vaccine may speed up someone's death likewise. This is why I said before how many of the 130k plus deaths are from Covid alone and nothing else. I would guess quite alot that sadly passed away were on near deaths door regardless.

At the end of the day in the next 18 months we will either see a massive increase of deaths or back to the normal figures. I really do hope it's the latter and I will gladly put my hand in my pocket.

 

So if someone without underlying conditions but has had the vaccine is shot in the head then the vaccine is to blame ?

seems a strange connection for you to think is the correct way to go

 

That's like me saying to you if someone is shot in the head without underlying problems but has tested postive does that mean we put it as Covid?

 

I wouldn't advocate putting it as covid, and I wouldn't advocate using that figure for a bet about deaths caused by covid.

Would you?

 

Exactly the point I have been making the figures are flawed from the off. Yet we are told everything is Covid related if a unvaccinated person dies but turn the tables and use the vaccine as possible cause and you can't do that. It really is hypocrisy and exactly why no one should trust the stats being given out.

As for the bet if people want to use the supposed Covid deaths stats has gospel then the same method should be applied if someone is vaccinated and dies so why can't the vaccine be the cause. You can't have one rule to suit it has to work both ways.

 

If you were betting with the government fair enough.

you seem to be shouting the same thing into the wind to people that have no control on what figures the government used to use. You keep saying how wrong using those figures are but then wanted to use a similarly wrong, if not more so, for a bet.

 

Because if that's method used why would I be wrong to use the same method.

 

do you believe the figures are a true measure of COVID deaths?

 

the figures you talked about using are not actually available would be a really good reason. How can you bet something is going to get worse when you don’t even know what the figure is today.

the daft thing is if you had taken the bet using the figures I suggested you would have won because no matter how good a medication is there are always unfortunate side effects and as only 4 have been logged so far there would have been more, even if it was ones that have happened and haven’t been reported yet.

 

Directly of Covid no I don't.