Brexit

It's a one way system for greedy Tories and there mates from taxpayer to private bank accounts and never to be seen again

 

She could but since the NHS spends that about every hour and a half I'm not sure anyone would notice a difference.

 

Tell that to the nurses.

 

I would. Why wouldn't I? My eldest daughter is a midwife and often have discussions about these types of things with her. They still won't notice the difference. It would be about 80 quid each over a year.

Do people not actually realise how quickly the NHS flys through cash? £30m wouldn't make a jot of difference to either the whole institution or the individuals involved.

 

Spread out across the NHS it wouldn't. But £30m could still do a hell of a lot of good if applied to any individual part of the NHS.

 

Of course. But given that it's about half 0.01% of the budget they could probably get it without necessarily needing to get it from Mone. The problems in any part of the NHS aren't about them lacking bloody million quid.

 

Meanwhile the cost of storing useless PPE is costing the taxpayer upwards of £2.2 million a week. When I say taxpayers I mean people like us on here rather than the tax evaders/avoiders.

 

I doubt they're storing useless PPE? That wouldn't make a lot of sense as you'd just get rid of anything that was truly useless. They're likely to be storing a lot of PPE that is no longer needed for covid and was overbought but can Be used for other things eventually and that will be costly (hence why we didn't have massive stockpiles kicking around when covid struck).

So if the argument is that we should have panicked less about PPE during the pandemic and being a bit more measure then I fully agree, but I'm skeptical whether you were making that argument at the time.

 

Only about 60/70% of the NHS budget is sent on hospitals and front line care. The rest is spent on preventative care and advertising and promotions

 

Advertising?

 

At least the actual Brexit debate is almost politically put to bed now that Starmer has given up on both "freedom of movement" and a Swiss style deal.

Glad he's made the change of heart but I seem to remember him running for the leadership on the complete opposite viewpoint. Is that another leadership pledge he's broken? Wonder if people will still believe that he's any more principled than any other politician?

 

guessing things like the flu jab adverts and stuff
Plus there is the 2-3% they spend on recruitment

 

Yeah but near 30%? Of a near 190 billion budget?

Having to spend on recruitment is fine, I'm guessing every business has that spend. But that enormous amount on advertising for effectively a free service??

 

Not only advertising but drug service including prevention and treatment plus smoking prevention and obesity programmes etc in every town and city in the country

 

next time you are out and about look out for NHS adverts for all sorts of stuff. But they didn’t just say 40 % on adverts, they also said preventative things, so would depend on what that was classed as. The whole school health care programme and baby health visitors could count

 

I know they have adverts but enough to make a dent in that sort of budget??

I also know that's what he said most people would believe that preventative care is fine as it's likely to stop actual admissions later down the line but the implication of mentioning them both together was that advertising was a statistically significant part of that. If I say "I spend 50% of my income on rent, energy and McDonalds" it implies I've got an eating disorder, not that I have a Big Mac twice a month

If that breakdown is 29% preventative care and 1% advertising and promotion (assuming the 30% overall is right) then that would be understandable I guess. If it's more of an even split then it's an issue worthy of more understanding - that's why I asked the question about it to try and see what that broke down as.

 

All of those thing I would expect from a health service, it is part of treating and preventing disease which very much comes under "health" from my view. I'm guessing from your response that the actual advertising spend is relatively minimal but you see it as just part of that preventative aspect you're talking about.

 

here are some figures then

 

Still non the wiser about advertising to be fair but appreciate you looking.

What that does confirm is the NHS spends absolute bucket loads on stuff that I don't actually understand.

 

Not every foreign company jumping ship and investing elsewhere.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2022/12/01/ford-to-increase-investment-at-halewood-to-scale-up-electric-veh.html,
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/toyota-gets-113m-build-hydrogen-7884842