Brexit

About the only thing the wokies haven't infiltrated and attempted to destroy ....yet...

 

oh they will. Popular music is famous for its subversion of the masses.

 

Unexpected good news from the City of London after we were warned of the devastation leaving would cause for our financial institutions, with many ditching the UK do their business with EU financial institutions.

https://www.cityam.com/brexit-impact-minimal-as-london-lost-only-7500-jobs-due-to-uks-departure-says-eu-born-city-mayor/

 

Nothing to do with the carnet system now in place which is an absolute nonsense if ever there was one. Was fine before but now every single piece of equipment down to cabling must now be itemised and weighed and included on the carnet form. filling this out correctly also costs hundreds and occasionally thousands of pounds. it is hurting small to medium sized operations more than anyone else, and this did not exist for uk musicians, roadies, support companies etc prior. completely pointless legislation that brexit brought into effect.

 

I'd suggest pointless legislation, but we know how the EU like to protect their members, according to the article above the UK are not as strict which I believe is the sensible way going forward.

 

That was the way it was before though. It was fine and now i know many of my friends who work in the industry who are tearing their hear out with all this crap. All this has done is hurt ordinary working people. The EU are within their rights to do whatever they want, now we aren't a member we're beholden to their whims whereas before none of this was an issue. brexit has created problems in a hell of a lot of industries where there just weren't any before.

 

It might be sensible for us, but not for the EU. For obvious reasons they couldn't allow a situation where we could leave but retain benefits of the single market, such as the free movement of goods.
Once we opted for a hard Brexit, we knew that meant copping all the visa and customs bureaucracy that is applied to all non EU countries. It's not as if we weren't warned. Expecting to be given special treatment, when we were explicitly told we wouldn't be, is cloud cuckoo land stuff.

 

I have never denied the EU aren't within their rights just pointing out the UK aren't as stringent with regards the likes working in the UK.
Once we left both sides were supposed to sit down and try and resolve the situation obviously that didn't happen and they couldn't come a satisfactory arrangement, the UK seem to be more flexible which IMO is the right approach.

 

The right approach in our interests but not the EU's. Why would they prioritise our interests over their own? And why would we expect them to? I think they've attempted to at least negotiate in good faith, wheres we've gone out and tried to hard ball them on almost every issue by threatening to act unilaterally.

 

Your correct the single market was not an option if we left we all knew that, as we all knew that meant copping with all the visa and customs bureaucracy that is applied to all non EU countries.
We never expected to have a different deal or special treatment as you claim, Cameron and his sidekick Osbourne were never off the TV telling us all it was a disaster they would have call an emergency budget, tax would have to be raised blah blah blah Cameron saying he would stay as PM no matter what the outcome another lair in the Tory party. It wasn't hard brexit as you call it. hard brexit would have meant leaving under WTO condition as you well know you commented about it enough prior to the vote..

 

Where have I suggested differently they have every right to class the UK as any other non EU country that was the gig, if they allowed different rules for the UK they could find other EU countries wanting a similar deal, although Poland don't seem too happy with regards their quota's of immigrants.
The border Irish border situation still has to be sorted or your "almost every issue by threatening to act unilaterally" could still happen.

 

It wasn't No Deal Brexit. But it was hard Brexit. Soft Brexit would have been an arrangement something like Norway has, where we left the political and customs union but remained in the single market. That would have given us tariff-free trade with the EU, with none of the customs and other bureaucracy. But, of course, you wouldn't have liked it because it would have meant freely accepting all those EU nationals that we are currently begging to come here to keep our economy afloat.

What Osborne predicted (not Cameron - he was largely missing in action, like Corbyn) is really not relevant, despite you raising it time after time. That was just a prediction. What was relevant was that the EU told us that there would be many more obstacles to trade if we left. But we voted to leave anyway, because most Brexiteers cared less about the negative economic impacts than they did about stopping foreigners coming here. And I suspect that many still do. But we are now suffering the economic impacts of that decision, both in trade barriers and labour shortages, all of which were inevitably going to happen if we left the single market.

 

yes and if that threatened the good friday agreement it would be an absolute disgrace. brexit is not worth starting the troubles round 2.

 

Me and 17 million others were against free movement it's not a secret.

Sorry Steve they were Camerons words of wisdom prior to the vote not George Osbornes, where he clearly stated " voting leave would mean exactly that" no single market and no customs union we both now what speech that was fear tactics weren't only on the leave side.
You say it was a prediction yet many of the remainers were quite happy to repeat at the time, as it turns out it was an out right lie.

 

You'll never win Dave, leave the miserable sods to it...

 

It's not about winning mate everyone knew if we did leave it was good bye to the single market AND the custom union I fail to see why it even raises its head.

And with regards musicians how do the rest of the non EU countries possibly manage all this extra paper work.
And if we decide to go abroad again to an EU country and we have to pay for a visa and I have to queue in the non EU queue I'll be doing just as I did when I went to Mexico, America, Turkey, Dominican Republic etc, but if the EU want to make it difficult for me to enter the EU I'm sure Egypt will take my British pound notes no problem.

 

Same old same old isn't it.

Brexit exposed us to these rules but the rules themselves are ludicrous with seemingly no benefit.

I assume that we used to have to make American and Australian artists jump through the same hoops when we were forced to treat them as third countries? If that's the case it's exactly the sort of rules that should be consigned to the dustbin.

 

Yes we screwed up with Rolf Harris for sure, two little boys and tie me kangaroo down sport what that all about.

 

Youre clearly a hardline brexiteer.

If youre not in a cult of brexit then what I want to know is what would the state of affairs look like in the UK for you to deem brexit bad?

The country hasnt been in the state its been in since the 70s. You blame covid and we blame brexit. At what point would you say enough is enough? If there even is a point you could ever see it as being bad.

 

If you believe not being in the single market and customs union can be classed as hard brexit, go for it.
I'd have thought leaving on WTO would have been hard brexit.