Brexit

I asked you a question - Would you answer it?

 

One day it will snow green

 

We've been out of the EU less than19 months in that time we've had a world pandemic that has effected every country in the world some more than others, we are now in a situation where the world once again is struggling to grow their economies and possibly go into a world recession because of things we have no control over, yet you put it all down to brexit, behave, and don't start about our musicians.
I'd have thought most people even the most ardent remainer's would accept we wouldn't see the benefits for a while unfortunately some like yourself seem to think it would all change overnight once we left, many quoting the disaster awaiting the UK the sort of garbage Dave "piggy" Cameron or Gideon Oliver Osborne predicted before the referendum, the economy falling off a cliff, emergency budgets, massive tax raises, the pound having no value in the world,its never happened,
Now go away whilst I enjoy todays result that is far more important than debating brexit with you.

 

Youre missing the point

What would it take for you to change your mind at any point in the future?

Like what would be so bad as a consequence of brexit that would make you think its too much?

Could be brexit killed your cat. Could be brexit leads to civil war. Could be brexit makes your bills go up. Or steals your pension... Obvs im only joking with this stuff i just honestly wonder what would be too much for you.

Reply on monday if you like but genuinely interested in what your limits are.

 

Dave, the only person who keeps quoting George Osborne's idiotic scare stories is you.

 

Yes because many remainers believe it at the time, as with the bus remainers were always pointing it out every chance they got.

 

Do you have limits or will you always see everything through the lens of Brexit?

If every country is suffering with inflation, cost of living, recruiting staff, low growth, covid fallout, etc, etc, will you still look at it and go....."BREXIT!"

Will you always see it through the very simple terms of EU = good guys, UK = bad guys. Will you ever look at an EU rule, process or ideal that makes little sense and not respond with "it's what we voted for!"

The glibness and simplicity comes from both sides.

 

So you accept it would be a nonsense to judge brexit so far for the reason I posted well that's a start.

The situation would have to be that the EU was flourishing as a group and it could be prove the reason the UK were not doing as well was directly linked to us leaving, I'm not sure I can define it more clearly.
I throw the same question back at you when would you accept leaving the EU was the right decision even though the early transition period made if more difficulf for people like yourself and musicians having more paper work etc to fill in where as being member of the EU you didnt have those barriers.
I believe @Aaron Baker makes a very interesting point above does ever situation have to be judged with regards Brexit.

 

Having our independence from the corrupt EU will ALWAYS be better than been in it. Period

 

But they are true. Him and his buddy Cameron went on a campaign of fear and it will not be forgotten.

 

And both quotes were used many times on here, as was the red bus slogan.

 

I dont accept that at all i was just trying to get you past the short term as its clear you wont accept short term downsides as being part of a long term pattern which I do.

If business was booming and trade was flowing with eu as was promised by vote leave then I would see that as a mark of success. But alongside that would need to be a stronger position on the world stage for britain than before we left the EU which its not. If our credit rating went back to being the top grade that would also be a success. But without freedom of movement for me I dont see how I could measure brexit being a success. TBH

 

Of course I don't for the reasons given, you guys were always telling us new deals will take years to agree so why to fit your agenda do you now seem to believe 19 months in an acceptable time for things to change.

 

nobody said at the time it would take a while, it was largely promised to be easy and pain free. I believe 'easiest trade deals in history' was something bandied about at the time.

 

Not on this forum we were being told on a regular basis trade deal take years to complete, and those posters were told getting 26 members to agree would be far harder than a sovereign country making a trade deal.

 

who by and can you provide any evidence for that?

 

It's all within this thread find it yourself.

 

None of the Brexiteers said it would take a while. It was Remainers like me saying it will take years to get decent trade deals and that they still won't be as good as what we had via the EU. And this is all still true.

We also said that there would be big problems in the meantime, because our biggest trade market is the EU and the additional bureaucracy was bound to cause problems. And this is all true.

So everything we predicted would happen after we left is proving to be correct - both short term problems and that other trade deals would not be done quickly. We have caused dire problems for our economy by leaving the EU, which were initially masked by the Covid pandemic but are now becoming glaringly obvious.
What's not glaringly obvious is what we are going to do to remedy the mess we have put ourselves in? Just wait, presumably, until it all magically turns out ok.

 

I thought it was your good self Steve thanks for acknowledging it maybe @YungNath might now believe me.

I've found the video you accuse me of going on about it really is an embarrassment to both Cameron & Osborne and you remainers being taken in by the comments they were coming out with its hilarious hardly "So everything we predicted would happen after we left is proving to be correct".
I just need to reduce the size as the video as can't be loaded as it is.
As Frank Carson would say "it's a cracker" they almost got every word they spoke wrong but you'll be able to hear it for yourself its cringworthy.

Here's the link, the article was in The Guardian really no surprise they were bigging Dave & George's speech up they were very much a remainers paper.



Just which part of this video did Cameron or Osborne get right, the Bank of England and IMF and treasuries prediction comments, as we know Carney changed his mind twice to my knowledge the DIY recession did not happen.
Or was it Osborne with his economy shrinking, or the value of the pound falling but soon recovered, or Inflation rises, real wages are hit, so too are house prices ( tell that to first time buyers), within 2 year over half a million jobs will be lost, really !!, and that's the lower end of the estimate across Britain 820,000 could be lost, yet inreality we had the lowest unemployment on record out and out lies from the Prime Minister ( that seems to go with the job) and his side kick the Chancellor of the Exchequer who'd have thought it.

To conclude the comment from the Guardian: The prime minister, David Cameron, and the chancellor, George Osborne, warn that a vote for the UK to leave the European Union could cost the United Kingdom 2m jobs and tip the economy into recession. They were speaking at the B&Q headquarters in Southampton on Monday, if you can't believe the Gurdian just who can you believe.
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The more the remoaners complain and bitch on about Brexit the more I am sure we were right to leave the shambles of the EU