Brexit

Never read that but maybe it was the same rubbish as Cameron, Osborne and the last Goveror of the Bank of England came out with telling us those scare stories before the Referendum vote.

 

Yes there were misleading statements from both camps as I posted above.
Well soon know what the German voters think of the EU and the way its going, followed by France in 2022, it will be interesting watching from outside,talking about taking fellow members Poland, Hungary to court because they don't want to be part of the EUs immigration policy.

 

Clutching at straws lad - just look at how many people are now coming out and telling you how much they disagree. Broken promises about brexit are now becoming clearer and clearer by the day. Now it is effecting peoples livelihoods they dont want to hear from brexiteers telling them its a necessary hardship.

Whats all this hardship for that you think is so necessary? to be richer then we are one day? wheres the evidence that will happen?

To be free of brussels? we always were free hence why there was a mechanism for brexit.

What are we waiting for exactly that makes the embarrassment that we see daily on the news worthwhile?

What happens to those in fuel poverty this year? what benefit is waiting years for brexit progress going to give them? what about those facing the choice between heating or food this winter? poor decisions by people who yearn for yesteryear are going to put a burden on others. All for the sake of nothing which you can quantify.

You mention the pandemic as some sort of excuse for things going bad. I dont know if you remember back to January this year but brexit was pushed through amidst a global pandemic. Not before it!! smack bang in the middle. Any ill effects of that are because of brexit not the pandemic.

 

Actually you are not quite right.

Obama said that we would go to the back of the queue. Where are we now?

The remain camp said we would see a drop on the pound. What happened the day after?

The economy was set to flatline, inflation increase, tarrifs and WTO rules. All of which have come to fruit.

Maybe Osborne was wrong in his one statement which you guys hold onto for dear life. Essentially the argument was brexit is bad for the economy and guess what? It IS!!!

I always said once people feel it in the pocket they will realise the 'blue passports', 'freedom for the UK' is complete twaddle. They will realise that the EU is not evil. That we are still british. The queen is our head of state. And if we ever want to leave the EUSSR as some like to label it then we can as we already have shown.

Britain is past its glory days and the news headlines prove that the EU was once a great hoist for us to be more influential than we can on our own.

 

And here's me thinking we left the EU at the end of 31 January 2020 lad.

That's the way blame the hike in utility prices on Brexit, total nonsense.

 

With regards Obama that's what I posted slow down and you'd have read exactly that, if your going to quote me get it right
"It was looking positive when Trump was President, unfortunately Sleepy Joe got in and it looks like he's got a similar opinion as Obama".

 

Yes the article was read a while back Dennis. The fact they aren’t even ashamed of admitting they lied any more. Fraud was had on the population.

 

Strange thing is Dave, every single “scare story” has turned out to be true, every single one.
Every single “benefit” has turned out to be a lie.

Dominic Raab just today said.

The strap line “ Global Britain “ was meaningless and had no merit.

 

To be honest there was too much focus on a tariff free deal with the EU and a lot of the other stuff got pushed into the periphery. You had things like this...
https://labourlist.org/2020/12/6-times-boris-johnson-said-a-post-brexit-trade-deal-would-be-easy/

...that allowed for them to focus purely on the EU and peripheral countires and push the real challenges (USA and China) into the long grass. When they got the deal it allowed them to take the "win".

I'm not actually sure whether we'll ever get a free trade deal with the US (I don't think it's something we would have got inside the EU either) but it might be more a case of tinkering around the edges on things like the lamb and whisky over time.

 

To be honest I'm not sure how much any American actually cares about Northern Ireland, it's just become a bargaining chip for everything as the land border causes so many issues.

As for your second paragraph, you're probably right however the "remain" side lost the argument because they went down the route of 'A FT deal is impossible to do' so when Johnson actually pulled it off some of the smaller details were harder to critique because in a larger scale way they had 'done what we had been told was impossible'. You're 100% right that it was a bargaining chip but everyone knew that which is why the parliamentary games of Bercow et al to take it off the table actually annoyed the electorate. They instinctively knew it was taking away a British chip in the negotiations rather than removing a meaningful option to 'protect' us.

It's similar to a lot of the project fear stuff. Remain went big on the doom and gloom so when you've been told that your houseprice is going to crash by 18%, taxes are going to go up the next day, unempluyment would be 3m, etc, etc, it's hard to be too fussed that you might need to wait 3 days before there's cauliflower in Asda.

 

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As were the ones the Guvnor of the bank of England said it would be a financial disaster then several months later changed his comments, Osbournes emergency budget with tax hikes, devaluation of the pound, millions losing their jobs.
Until Covid arrived unemployment was at a record low, the emergency budget never happend the pound dropped but since recovered.
There were lies from both side it was far from one sided.

 

Really?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-could-kill-820-000-jobs-chancellor-10291524

Must have missed all of this? I thought it was going to be in the emergency budget that was going to happen the day after the vote?

Thought I would have spotted an 18% fall in house prices but apparently I haven't.

 

And yet you cant tell us a benefit of brexit so far.

 

That's right. Apart from getting rid of one layer of government I can't.

That wasn't the point though. Those things weren't true.

 

Blue passports.

 

You what? 2020? im not sure what you are saying.

Its quite easy to blame the utility price hike on brexit.

Boris Johnson and Michael Gove promised lower fuel bills for households once Britain left the EU. Gas prices in Europe are also at record highs, but countries in the EU’s internal energy market trade efficiently with each other using linked auctions that balance prices across the bloc. The UK, having decoupled its auctions from Europe, could in theory get cheaper energy than anywhere else – if energy was really cheap. But it isn’t, so the UK is more exposed to high prices.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/09/gas-price-crisis-is-brexit-russia-or-covid-19-to-blame

Brexit has reduced our bargaining power and left us exposed. Its a classic example of 'I told you so', being a membber of the EU aids our collective bargaining power. In a time of dwindling resources wordwide its power blocs that will win out. I want the UK to survive which means collaboration. Whereas your patriotism is short sighted and harmful.

 

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