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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Park bantam, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. Aaron Baker

    Aaron Baker Impact Sub

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    Are you sure about that?

    I thought the CE mark made it compulsory and stopped any other mark being shown.

    Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things buy equally that applies to the banality of the original legislation.
     
  2. Edinmiarse

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    Why would a CE mark preclude stamping another type of mark on a product? It's just a symbol of a crown. I could stamp a glass with BCFC on it and no one could do a jot about it. A CE mark indicates that the product complied to a certain standard. A crown is simply a crown. It tells you nothing about the product.
    If you really think that the crown symbol was breaking EU law then perhaps you can point us all to the said law.
    If you read the Express article it mentions a bonfire of red tape. That really is taking the pss. Brexit has been nothing but an exercise in creating mountains and mountains of the stuff. Just as well we took back control and are letting products free flow through Dover without any hint of a check! otherwise we would have to magic up even more red tape.
     
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  3. Aaron Baker

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    Its not just the picture itself, its what it indicated and you're wrong to say I tell you nothing about the product - prior to 2007 it told you exactly the same thing as the CE mark did subsequently. It was a mark to guarantee the measurement.

    Of course you could put a crown on, just like you could but "Heineken" down the side but you couldn't put a crown on to indicate that it was a certified measurement because the icon to indicate that was standardised EU wide and it specifically stopped countries using any individual alternatives. The CE mark literally meant European Conformity.

    If you want to read the actual legislation I think its the Measuring Instruments Directive but you can find articles and discussion from the time if you need more details, it's probably more useful than reading the actual directive.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6435343.stm

    As you say, why they'd do this is anyone's guess. Completely pointless legislation.
     
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  4. trevor

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    The EU also banned the UK from selling goods in pounds and ounces, People were sent to jail for selling in pounds and ounces, We are now changing the law to allow traders to sell this way if they choose, More red tape gone
     
  5. Storck

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    was anyone sent to jail or is this another exaggerated anti eu story.

    people were never stopped from selling in imperial measures as long as metric prices were also shown
     
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  6. Edinmiarse

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    Yes, metric had to be shown too. It certainly wasn't illegal to display imperial measures. You only had to look on a packet of sugar to realise that.
    Anyway, give me metric any time. As for more red tape gone? Complete BS !! You'll see plenty of products with metric measures. We import vast amounts that will still be labelled in metric. If anything folk will have a hard time converting imperial to metric, including some oldies. So some products will be printed in imperial, others in metric.
     
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    https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/uk-world-news/campaign-grows-pardon-shopkeepers-convicted-5935078

    Mr Thoburn, a greengrocer from Sunderland, died aged just 39 in 2004, days after learning that his appeal to the European Court of Human Rights had been rejected.
    In court in 2001 his imperial scales were confiscated and he was given a six-month conditional jail term, sparking widespread public support and earning him the moniker of ‘Metric Martyr’.

    The imperial scales were seized as under EU law it was unlawful to use them as only metric could be used in the EU
     
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  8. Storck

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    That article is wrong. He was given a 6 month conditional discharge and his scales were seized as they were not dual scales
     
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    Link?
     
  10. Aaron Baker

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    I think you're right and none of the people involved went to prison but it's still an absolutely ludicrous thing to be prosecuted and fined for.
     
  11. Storck

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    You can still get done for selling beer in pubs by the litre, or the 500ml. It has always been the case that there are standard measures that you have to stick to
     
  12. Aaron Baker

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    I know and it's still ludicrous.
     
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    You do realise a large section of the country is young enough to have never actually used imperial measurements to buy or sell anything. completely pointless backward looking rubbish
     
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    For us older end we knew nothing else but pounds, shillings and pence and managed to get through life without any problems.
    Then we're told we were going decimal 1971 I believe which was easier given time, but for many older people at the time found it difficult to change and it also offered an opertunity for businesses to hike prices to so call round prices up, strangly they never rounded them down.
     
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    Dave, Mogg said we will see the benefit of Brexit in 50 years didnt he?
     
  19. Dennis

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    Er, yes, if the current PM (and the likes of Fox and Hannan) are to be believed! Johnson said in the run-up between the referendum and us leaving the EU that a UK-US trade deal was already being discussed and could be signed early in 2020. Embarrassingly, it seems it's many years away now and that has little to do with the pandemic. It may well be dependent on how the UK deals with the NI Protocol. Any suggestion that the border between NI and Ireland would be compromised would completely snooker the deal. And that's one of the consequences of what Lord Frost is now trying to negotiate.
     
  20. Bronco

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    It was looking positive when Trump was President, unfortunatly Sleepy Joe got in and it looks like he's got a similar opinion as Obama, Biden who is from Irish ancestry should be putting pressure on the EU we are happy to have no boarder between both thd North and South thd EU actually said they would not have a hard boarder.
    It was always going to be longer term rather than a quick fix as you wel know.
     

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