Brexit

I’d never even heard of this story before, but there’s something perverse when the EU give a shit about something like this but let right wing governments in Hungary and Poland run amok and treat ethnic minorities and LBGT communities like shit and do nothing about it. Pigs and troughs come to mind.

 

Brexit is indeed a huge logistical mess but your last statement is wrong. It was not the fault of the voters of leave, they didn't implement the rule changes. The fault, as usual with anything in this useless country, is the running joke that is Westminster. You can add Brexit to any number of government controlled departments, the NHS, education, the welfare state, transport, the list goes on, and the mismanagement and rank pathetic administration throughout all is a national embarrassment. This isn't just a Conservative problem either, Labour and others are just as culpable for their woefully pathetic attempt at acting as opposition to this absolute shitshow.
As for the benefit of brexit so far? I'm struggling with that one too.

 

The benefits for me are linked to these two statement.

Governmental structures as a whole (not just the UK government but worldwide) are wasteful, self interested, bureaucratic, secretive, power hungry, industries. This includes the EU rather than them being the bastion of light that they are often portrayed to be, they have all the same issues as the UK government.

Reducing the layers of government that sit above us is a good thing - it might not show positive results in the short term (exactly because of the power hungry nature of the beast) but philosophically to me the more you can simplify governments, the closer you can get them to the electorate, the fewer powers you can give them and the easier you make it to change then the less their incompetence and self interest affects us. I know that's an intangible rather than a pounds and pence benefit but I'm pretty happy with it.

 

Bow in principle I agree with that. But my wholw argument with politics in this country is well summed up in your post. No government is interested in streamlining beaureacracy, and I'd say that's anywhere in the world. It creates meaningless jobs on ridiculous salaries. The system isnt there to benefit the likes of myself, that's not how any administration works. It's the main reason I voted for Brexit and yet in my head I knew would never happen. It will never be allowed to happen. That's why I resent the voter being blamed for wanting things that the government were never going to allow to change. In essence your vote, whether it be for elections, by elections or heaven forbid Brexit, is pretty much meaningless.

 

Reminds me of the famous saying by a top civil servant to Tony Benn, " You are the minister and have the levers of power in front of you at your command, However whether they are connected to anything is a different matter"

 

Well we nicked a huge multi billion pound order for submarines from France that we could not do as part of the EU and we have brought back pounds and ounces. Hurrah!!! The future is bright outside the EU if we can keep bungling Boris away from any negotiations

 

Then why dont you just go live in america.

When you live in a society with public services that you dont get in the USA then there has to be systems of governance which can cause beaurocratic issues, undeniably. But if you want robust public services then expect layers of government.

The countries with few layers of government arent nice places to live.

 

Wrong

Has nothing to do with the EU. If it had then why was France due to provide the subs in the first place.

We could sell what we want to who we want outside of the EU.

 

Its not wrong

Remainers were not tied to germany or france over the UK patriotically. The idea of being able to go it alone and succeed is a romantic one that everyone would like. The remainers simply kept their thinking caps on and used common sense. There was never a chance that a bunch of ideals would be able to be put into practice successfully. There was never a chance any of it would work out. As a voter you had a responsibility to see the vested interests of those who were arguing for it. Those who voted for it are therefore responsible.

 

As a voter I wanted us to leave the EU, it's the only bit of Brexit they got right. I can't speak for anyone else who voted leave but I am in no way responsible for the shitshow that ensued, that's down to the politicians who oversee the day to day running of the country.. See, they never ever thought the vote would go the way it did, Cameron was so blaze about it he even gave the people the vote. I'll be honest I couldn't care less for leave or remain, makes absolutely no difference to me. But I had a motive to vote leave and I had that motive proved right. Good luck with your business.

 

Dont need luck mate. Just hard graft.

 

Hard graft and a modicum of intelligence. I graft hard but don't have the intelligence.

 

Do you run a business?

 

Odd comment. Because I don't think it's better and I like living here. I never compared the UK to the USA.

There you go then. If the beurocratic issues are undeniable then why deny them. Just push to minimise them wherever possible.

Just because you need a government of some sorts to have a functioning society doesn't mean you need another quasi-government above that. Especially one that was initially a simple trading block but developed into controlling all sorts of pointless minutiae.

 

I'm a self employed sole trader. I guess that classes me as a running a business but i'll gladly admit i'm not very good at it. I don't understand sales at all. My respect goes out to anyone that does, its not easy.

 

I do both, Im a digital consultant on a freelance basis and also setup a company. At first it was the only way to fund my company until the sales started to be made. But on my sole trader work I hate doing the sales and I too find it tedious. Im very lucky in that the company I previously worked for are one of the best in the business and so people see I worked there and get in touch for the same type of service only cheaper.

Depending on the nature of your work there may be lead generation sites you can sign up to. They will help with your sales if you find that part hard.

 

Cheers for that pal, i appreciate any advice given. I'm just a tradesman at the end of the day and i've never really had any experience in selling myself, let alone products. Part of me does envy people who have the gift of the gab.

 

It must be wonderful to live in a simple world, There is no way the mandarins of the EU would have allowed the UK to take a military order from France without massive repercussions especially as it is a tripartite deal with the USA who the EU hate

 

Why do you assume that we will be building the subs?

 

What story is that? The one about the crown stamp that was never illegal or indeed banned by the EU?
That's probably why you've never heard of it, it's just made up sht by the Express.