Brexit

If that is the case our MPs and PM should hang there heads in shame.

 

As I posted we have friends and family in Pontefract and many are livid with
Yvette Cooper, even though most are die in the wool Labour supporters they have had enough with this betrail of a democratic vote.

 

Unfortunatly there is no foundation for compromise, May has her interpretation of the leave vote and Labour spout about what was voted through at there party conferance which is not brexit, we were told by Cameron it was a one off vote if we vote to leave that means we leave the EU, single market and customs union yet what Labour is offering would keep us in the customs unionand all that goes with it..
Remember this guy and his promise :

 

Brexit delay, bloody cowards, millions died to keep us free, yet so many people want to be governed by foreign powers,
it's just so unbelievable, main 2 parties should be proscribed and abandoned with 2 new parties formed and a general election where we can either vote for a European party or a British party....I've more than had enough, i'm out.....

 

As i put in an earlier thread if Brexit is delayed then there is the upcoming eu elections to vote in;

a chance for the public to give its verdict on the two parties who failed messily and vote for others rather than apathy and dont vote at all.
The eu establishment are not looking forward to these elections at all, maybe they should learn some lessons too.

 

Before this fiasco I would have agreed but I'm not sure the MPs give a s**t any more, the public tell the MPs on such as Question Time etc and it's the usual s**t they come out with "we are listening" can't have it much clear than this lad, and the Labour MP making out I have a responsibility for British job yad yad yad trying to deflect the question.

 

It's not the first time a government as put us in a mess an won't be the last

 

She has been brilliant in trying to stop Brexit.

 

See ya later !!!
It’s like all these idiot expats in Spain voting Brexit and thinking it doesn’t apply to them.

 

May has had a lot of criticism that she has not reached out to other parties to compromise but how can she?

Labour want to remain in the EU and be a rule taker so cannot compromise there
Lib Dems ( Who?) are pledged to remain in the EU so no compromise there either
SNP (windbags) want to solidly remain in the EU so no compromise there,
So all these people saying she needs compromise are in actual fact remainers wanting her to fail and have no brexit,

 

We need a referendum to sort it out. Not a second referendum just a referendum. I am a staunch remainer i think we should revoke article 50 but the democrat in me says we should all have a say. Now i dont mean that this means remaining even has to be an option. Thats not for me to decide but regardless of whatever the question is the public now need to ratify it, parliament has been proven to be incapable.

My take on it is the ref should go like this...

Q1

Should we remain or leave the european union?

Options:

Remain

Leave

Q2

If we leave what deal should be taken?

Options:

Mays deal

Norway+

Renogiated deal after GE.

If the first question is won by remain then we remain. If Leave wins then we vote on a leave deal. If there needs to be a new deal then the question is asked again at the end of that negotiating period.

just my take

 

We had a peoples vote which was the referendum which Leave won, If we were to follow your idea on democracy and a further vote made then if remain won this further vote which means they would have had two attempts to leavers one, Therefore if you believe in democracy and fairness and remain won there should be a further third referendum to be fair to the leavers,

 

The democrat in you, let's go for best out of 3, it was made quite plain it was an "in or out" vote, have a listen nothing plainer : and here
the politicians have made this situation because they never thought for one minute the gullible British electorate would dare vote to leave, so Theresa May is trying to pacify the Tory party and Labour & the Lib/Dems/SNP are doing their best to sabotage the vote.
This guy says it all Hans Olaf German MEP , He claims the UK leaving is the equivalent of 19 countries leaving the EU at the same time.also commenting the UK are the llargesr single customer of the EU.
Here's another opinion of Brexit : .

 

We have tried to get brexit through but what people were promised wasnt deliverable. If the current deal is good enough people can go for that otherwise they can change their mind.

The idea of fairness isnt relevant.

51.85% vs 48.15% is not a mandate to leave on no deal terms it isnt even a mandate to leave. After the vote was made the leave side should have been more pragmatic. There was no way with only 51% of the vote you would ever get a full brexit. If you all want to throw your toys out the pram as a result of that then fine but thats the cold hard facts of life, no amount of whining will get you what you want.

 

Hold on, who's the ones throwing the toys out of the pram? Last time i looked a majority of the electorate voted to leave. The voters were given two choices on that ballot paper. Leave or remain. When the votes are counted someone wins someone loses, thats how i've been led to believe a vote works.
I must admit when i woke up and saw how the vote had gone the night before i was surprised at the outcome. I'm guessing so was every other MP, not just Cameron. They never ever envisaged this scenario happening, this wasn't part of the script. The whole reason we have arrived at the impasse is because Parliament has no intention of allowing this to go through. See, i don't care two hoots whether we remain or leave. What does is what is at the heart of our political system and that is democracy and our right to vote. Our MPs are failing us every day, on both sides of the political divide, this is far more important than Brexit.