Brexit

Here's a theory for you.

Tory party is about to be blown apart, that is inevitable right now. TM sides with Hard Brexiteers over a short delay only, with threat of no deal remaining.

Cue resignations of Hammond, Rudd etc. Vote of no confidence in government succeeds and we have an election: which EU accepts as reason for a longer delay.

This gives a renewed mandate for Brexit, but a much softer version than no deal.

Let's see how the next 48 hours go.

 

Yeah, i think the EU being helpful as ever has said only a short delay will be granted if there is a valid reason- ie referendum or election.
Just giving May extra time wont work and wont be agreed.

 

F*cking state of Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn. Its like having Edin Rahic as your chairman and the only viable alternative is Ken Anderson. What an unholy mess.

 

There is literally nothing to vote for. Even the most dyed in the wool party follower must be questioning what has happened to British politics. I despise the Conservatives with a passion but what the hell is the alternative? A party that is more determined to beat itself than any rival party.

 

I have always voted Tory, but what a mess the party is in now over Brexit.

Maggie in her prime would have sorted the mess out

If there was a general election, I would still have to vote for them though,, if only to prevent the red flag flying over Downing Street

 

Which is not brexit, Cameron made it quite plain, if you vote to leave it will mean leaving the EU single market and the Customs Union, It's not difficult to grasp.
You have to smile with regards Corbyn's latest reason not to attend the cross party meeting, the MPs who left Labour & Tory parties should not have been invited, is this guy really interested in what's best for the British people, Labour are becoming a joke of a party, and the Tories are no better.

 

Labours plan for brexit is to stay in the Customs union paying £billions for the privileged, To stay in the single market, To allow unlimited immigration to this country, To accept the jurisdiction of the European courts over our own .
What part of any of that is leaving the EU, Make no mistake Labours position is to stay in the EU

BTW The UK leaving the EU has the same financial effect of 16 EU members leaving and would have dire effect on the EU

 

I fear Brexit will be stopped by the remainers and a golden chance for the UK to take advantage of brilliant future it has in its grasp for the country and its citizens, The future of lower prices, Lower taxation and increasing wages and employment improving prosperity with full employment and fully funded public services not bound by continual cuts because we send £££ to the EU to give away to other member countries, It shows how low our esteem as a nation has fallen that the remainers have no confidence in our future and feel happier in the warm glow and control of the EU controlling most of daily life in the UK against forging what would be a brilliant future as an independent nation, It will be sad if we allow those frightened of change to condemn this country to continual and declining wealth and influence in a changing world.

 

The reality is that we had a referendum in 1975, and 67.2% of the population voted to remain in the EU. So-called "Brexiteers" (and I use that term only because it is what they commonly refer to themselves as - I hate the term) kicked and screamed and moaned for, near enough, 41 years, such that we were forced into another one. I fail to understand why those who voted leave, don't see the bitter irony.

A second referendum is not an affront to democracy, it is an extension of it. Those who purport to reverse the decision of the referendum are wrong, but those who seek to oppose a second referendum are equally as ridiculous. I don't know how anyone can describe a vote, based entirely on fiction and false promises, as democratic. In my view, the vote should never have been put to the public in the first place, but the only way it can be resolved, is it be put back to it.

Our MP's are failing us, that much is true, but why do people differentiate the likes of Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg from those? It is important not to distinguish them simply because they voted how you did.

 

Best of 3 then.........on TV today was Dominic Grieve who was asking for "another" peoples vote, Caroline Flint who also voted remain said with regards Grieve he just wanted to stop leaving no matter.
As she said she voted remain but was a Democrat and beleive the Referendum vote should be honoured, she also pointed out if it did go to another peoples vote one of the choices should be leave without a deal rather than the two suggested by Grieve, accept the May deal or remain.

 

I'm not quite sure I understand the relevance of Caroline Flints thoughts on it? I'm more than capable of reaching my own conclusions. I still don't understand why people are ignorant of the fact that this was not the first referendum, it was the second - because leavers didn't get their way the first time ~ "it is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets"

 

That referendum was to join the common market which was an european trading block mainly to protect farms, There was NO referendum to then join the EEC and then niether was it put to the vote to become part of the EU giving away sovereignty to the EU, Since those treaties were signed around 70% of the laws we have to adopt and abide by are not made by UK politicians but by the EU, No one who voted in 1975 voted for that I am sure

 

The Chancellor spent around £840 bn in the 17/18 budget cycle. Difficult to be exact, but our net contribution to the EU looks to be around £9bn.

I can't believe it is that £9bn which is preventing us reaching the economic nirvana you describe.

 

you do realise that most of that £840 billion he spent was borrowed along with the nett £9Bn we gave to the EU to squander on our behalf with little say of where it goes

 

The relevance is Caroline Flint voted remain but as a fair minded MP accepts the referendum result and wants a deal making asap, it's not hard to grasp.

The first vote was to join a Common Market based on free trade it is nothing like the United States of Europe vote, or do you find any similarities between the 1975 vote and this ?.

 

And some fell on stony ground .