Brexit

If they had talent then they should have been an MEP see-

https://news.sky.com/story/british-meps-in-line-for-eur6m-golden-goodbye-when-uk-leaves-eu-11123258

Dunno why they would want to come off the gravy train, what with their expenses.

Expenses?

Scandal?

Now that rings a bell here.

 

They will still get a very healthy pension

 

Which question Dave?

 

Would you take the deal that Mrs May brought back originally for the House of Commons to vote on.

 

Absolutely not. It would mean a ' leap in the dark' Brexit. All the same issues would be unresolved going into the transition period, with the same No Deal crash out possible at the end of transiition deadline if we can't agree a deal. Except that we'd then be tied into the backstop indefinitely. It's essential that we agree the basics of the future relationship (ie in or out of a customs union) before we enter the transition period, or the end date and backstop are another gun to our head in the trade negotiations.

I'm still hoping that parliament will force her to see sense and delay Brexit date. The only Brexit deal that could command a Commons majority would involve some kind of customs union.

As you know, Ive never accepted that the first referendum was a legitimate democratic exercise, since nobody understood the terms or the process they were voting about. I'm still in favour of a second referendum involving the real choices, as opposed to the fantasy ones (and I'd accept the outcome of that as the genuine will of the people, whatever the result). But, at the moment that's looking unlikely.

 

It would be interesting if certain MPs try and get a extend the date, the EU have said its not on.
Whatever the out come many voters will have a different view going forward I certainly will and as you know Ive voted Labour all my life, Corbyn has been poor oposition and many of my friends and associates wont forget it.

 

I have a number of concerns about both the backstop, 2 years transition, handing over £40 billion before we even have a trading and political plan going forward. What if they make impossible requests? Maybe the French and Spanish want to continue to fish in our waters? I remember when we had a thriving fishing industry.

I think the backstop is there just in case they don’t come to an agreement, and maybe they already know that is a distinct possibility!! So we have already agreed £40 billion, and yes I know it is eye watering, but in the grand scheme of finance it isn’t. I also know that the EU expected us to honour agreements that were agreed before we knew we were leaving. What you don’t hear ppl saying is how many assets are we leaving behind, the space and satellite projects to mention a couple. Keeping us a backstop for ever and day would be absolute madness for us to accept; we just cannot hobble our country in this manner, because we would be unable to negotiate deals during this time.

I cannot believe how badly Brexit has been handled, not one politician has any credibility in all of this mess. The EU do not want us to leave and if we do they want it to be painful for us so that other countries don’t get any ideas. How anyone can think that the EU political institutions are our friends is beyond me. Yes I have no doubt we are in for rocky time when we leave, but we have been faced with worse, but we will just have to get on with it and move forward together as a nation. I know it is pie in the sky, but I would like the country to come together and put this divisive time in the past.

 

France have already said they need to be allowed to fish our waters, and Spain are questioning the soverenty sitution with regards Gibraltar, as you say we will have already started to pay the 40 billion.
Two wasted years and as you say there is nothing agreed with regards deals.

 

I know you say 40 billion isn't a massive amount in the greater scheme of finance but what could we actually do in this country with that amount of money. Quite a lot.

 

Getting a bit fed up with those that mention the customs union and that we may be able to be a member of some sort of customs union or negotiate a better or bespoke customs union, They are not telling the truth and the Labour Party and remainders know that, There is only ONE customs union, It cannot be changed and it cannot be adjusted and anyone claiming it can is being dishonest, The customs union is one of the four pillars of the EU that it was founded on and is at the heart of the Union and cannot be altered without all the 27 members and the EU parliament agreeing a new EU treaty which will never happen, Of course those proposing it can be changed know this,
The fact is that there is only ONE customs union and if we stay in it as Labour and remainders want then we have to accept the rules of the customs union which are unlimited immigration from the EU, We have to accept that the European courts are superior to ours and obey them, We cannot make our own trade deals and have to accept the EU negotiating on our behalf, It would mean continuing to pay vast amounts of money in to the EU and VAT and any tariffs from other countries for example If we charge a tariff on goods say from the US on imports they have to be paid to the EU not kept in the UK and this applies to all import tariffs to the UK from any other non EU member,
It is in fact Brexit in name only where we accept all the rules but have no say in the running of it and is much worse than actually staying in as we become a chattel state of the EU not a country.

 

There’s an election coming

A new angry w@nkers party started by Farage.

Today’s 12 page spread on Jeremy Corbyn in the Mail more or less confirms it.

 

Everybody 'knows' about comedy Corbyn, this is just a timely reminder for the hard of thinking.....

 

The Mail’s become a parody of itself. Quite funny really.

 

except that under new editor Geordie Greig the Mail has now veered to the left...

 

Italy now seeing that they will suffer big time when we leave https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1085392/brexit-news-latest-no-deal-brexit-italy-trade-deal-bilateral-deal.

Britain is Italy’s third-biggest market for food after Germany and the US, and losses on this front could bring the already stricken food market to its knees.
“Unfortunately we are not in charge of Europe, at least not yet.”

Italy’s economics is deeply connected to the British market.

The Mediterranean country’s total exports to Britain amount to £20.17billion annually (€23bn).

Are the EU going to get tough with Italy as they did with Greece with regards their EU budget deficit, do we have allies in Italy who see no sense in forcing a hard brexit.

 

The fears over fishing rights and Gibralter are groundless because they are covered by the Brexit agreement that May has agreed with the EU, The agreement specifically hands all fishing rights and its territorial limits back to the UK, It also reaffirms the UK rights over Gibralter in perpetuity, The May deal IS a good deal but the problem is very few people have read it and get their view of it from a remain biased media who employ lazy reporters to report it even though obvious they themselves have not read or understood it. If in the future we allow any country to fish our waters it would be our decision not the EU

 

I havent read the article @trevor, but heard someone commented once the deal was signed and accepted the likes of France would want some of our fishing waters and as I posted Spain will dispute the Gibraltar situation.
Remainers scare mongering by any chance ?.

 

The deal expressly gives the rights of an independent coastal state to the UK including full control over fishing rights, However it is possible for the UK government if it so desires to give access by negotiation to other nations bearing in mind we already use and would want access to other countries fishing waters. Gibraltar is different the UK will never give up its rights over Gibraltar

 

Those that want a customs union but also reject the back stop make me smile, The May deal is that if the back stop comes in to operation we stay in the customs union and free trade area but make no contributions to the EU budget until a deal is agreed, If I were a supporter of Labour deal or supported staying in the customs union then what is not for them to like, Staying in and not paying in the future seems a good deal compared to the Labour deal of staying in the customs union but paying up to £20BILLION a year for the privilege