Brexit

I didnt realise woke and economically literate were interchangeable terms but there we are!


you do touch on a good point though Tony, most creatives will never vote conservative and arent big party donors. so naturally we are the back of the queue for anything.

 

I see what you're saying but please let's not dress it up as "loads of red tape". Paying an additional fee (which is likely less than the total cost of travel and the musical equipment they purchased) and filling out a form isn't a lot of red tape.

The "red tape" that is needed to get into any non EU country in the world is just naturally accepted. Over time exactly the same thing will be regarded as the norm for wanting to work in the EU.

Your point about there being limited benefits for the creative industry is a good one but please don't overplay the negatives as impossible barriers.

 

Nearly there with a deal Apart from the French insisting the legal text is done in French

 

Apparently still no nearer on fishing, the EU want a 10 year deal, strange how their fishing quota is such a big deal.

Brexit LIVE: Barnier stuns Boris with last second change to deal – would shackle UK to EU
MICHEL BARNIER has issued a stunning demand to negotiate fishing quotas every ten years, meaning the UK would remain shackled to the EU despite voting to leave the bloc.

 

They originally wanted quotas to run indefinite, We offered 5 years, It seems they have compromised on 10, We have no problem with access as we will have access to some of there's

 

BTW, If they get stroppy we will send Priti to sort them out

 

BJ preparing ‘significant intervention’ in Brexit talks - what could possibly go wrong!!!

 

Interesting article, if only because its the first one I've seen in a while that isn't framed as a post brexit, race to the bottom on standards.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55102891

Seems like a generally good idea to me.

 

Seems only fishing is holding up a deal still, Fishing is worth over a £billion to the EU and thousands of jobs depend on it, They have proposed increasing the quota of fish we can catch in our own waters but this will still leave the EU with the rights for most of the fish in UK waters, Some say why bother as it is only 0.1% of the UK economy but the important question to ask is why that is so,

 

Reading several comments with regards the situation I believe this week could be the make or break period.
The EU negotiator must recognise the referendum was all about making our own decisions we can't accept any alignment with the EU we have to be in control of what we do with regards British business. If the government believe a company like BA need a large injection of cash then there should be no interference from the EU.
Any deal that leaves the EU in any sort of control over what the Englisb government can or can't do will be totally unacceptable to the majority of leave voters, I'd suggest at the present time this government have enough on their plate without a backlash from many Northern voters who thought leave ment leave.

 

What a generous bunch Michel Barnier and his negotiating team are :

Boris Johnson's government and EU officials have resumed crucial talks in London aimed at forging a post- Brexit trade deal, in what has been billed as the last “major” opportunity to avoid a no-deal crash-out at the end of December.

EU negotiator Michel Barnier is said to be offering to give the UK back 15 to 18 per cent of the quota European fleets currently take from British waters, but No 10 is thought to want 80 per cent returned to the UK – and reportedly views Brussels’ position as “wholly unacceptable”.


It comes as Germany’s chancellor chancellor Angela Merkel said time was now running very short to reach a deal, and some EU member states are growing impatient. “A deal is in everyone’s interest,” she added.

Yes Angela your German car manufacturers for one.

 

Why it is so is because British people don't eat the vast bulk of the fish caught in our waters. Over 70% of what remains of our fishing fleet catch is exported to the EU.

Our fishing fleet was decimated not by the EU but by the loss of the 3rd Cod War with Iceland, which removed our access to the waters which contain most of the fish that British people eat in quantity.

https://britishseafishing.co.uk/the-cod-wars/

 

Much to simplistic, The Common Fisheries Policy enforced by the EU had a detrimental effect on the viability of our fisheries,

From a British perspective this shared EEZ (200 miles Limit ) can be seen as a very bad deal.for the UK,
In 2015, EU vessels caught 683,000 tonnes of fish worth £484 million in UK waters, but UK vessels only caught 111,000 tonnes worth £114 million revenue in EU member states’ waters. In parts of the Celtic Sea (which prior to the CFP would have been controlled by the UK) French fishermen have the right to catch three times more Dover sole and four times more cod than British fishermen. Around 40% of the Danish fishing fleet’s total catch comes from the UK 200-mile zone which Britain would control if it was not in the CFP, and some Danish fishing communities rely entirely on catching fish within the bounds of what used to be Britain’s territorial waters. Clearly the Common Fisheries Policy and its shared EEZ has been immensely beneficial to some groups within Europe’s fishing industry, but those who now have to share what used to be their fishing grounds with others may not take such a positive view.

Ironically the Icelandic cod war was because Iceland increased its territorial waters to 200 miles to control its waters with fish stocks now probably the highest in Europe,
Maybe we should learn the lesson and follow suit

 

There is also a nonsense spouted by some that the EU consumers eat species that we do not want, Here is the official EU chart of fish and seafood eaten in the EU, Portugal is by far the biggest consumer of cod, Some are also imported like Alaska pollock

Main species consumed in the European Union
Tuna (mostly canned) 3.07
Cod 2.31
Salmon 2.24
Alaska pollock 1.59
Shrimps 1.51
Mussel 1.28
Herring 1.18
Hake 0.94
Squid 0.67
Mackerel 0.65
Source: Eumofa, The EU Fish Market, 2019 edition.

 

Yes, the CFP has undoubtedly been bad for what's left of our fishing industry, but the initial and most significant decline was the loss of access to the waters in Iceland's 200 mile zone following the cod wars.
The fact that Portuguese people eat lots of cod doesn't alter the fact that most of the fish caught in our waters are species such as mackerel and herring, which British people eat little of - which is why 75% is exported.

 

Is it really relevant that British people don't eat the fish in our waters? The common sense in me says we can start to fish our waters we sell to countries that eat that sort of fish.

 

if it was that good an idea wouldn't we be doing that already?

 

We could if allowed by the EU, If we can get the fishing rights back and an agreement with them,

 

We can't can we?

 

We sold our fishing rights, very little to do with the EU at all