Brexit

Some companies sold their fishing rights nothing to do with the government, When the EU quotas for UK fishermen were reduced to near zero and other EU countries were given a larger share of quotas in UK waters then the large UK trawler companies had boats but were not allowed to fish, That is when some owners sold their quotas to foreign companies, Hundreds of trawlers from the UK fishing fleet were then sold off or broken up and thousands ended without their jobs on those trawlers, The EU is responsible for the common fishery policy that devastated the UK fishing fleet,

 

The last comment is cheap and unnecessary and unlike you,
It is not an issue of ownership, Many industries that operate in the UK are foreign owned but still have to follow UK laws, Those companies who bought them will retain there rights but may well have to pay a licence fee in future to operate in British waters, There are as the article says various ways to make it difficult for foreign owners regarding employment and landing catches in the UK, both doubtful but an option
You are right about the government of the day who had no interest in "old" Industries like coal, Steel and fishing and are to blame for the resulting demise of those industries that like fishing ended up in foreign hands,
But the fact remains that a deal has to be done that gives the lions share of UK waters to the UK and a fair system to allow others some access to our sovereign waters,

 

The EU has rights to 80% of our fish and lands it abroad in EU coutries, They do not import it because it comes from EU trawlers, The 20% of our waters they allow us to fish is mostly UK bound for processing,
BTW under a no deal 100% of fishing rights would transfer to the UK,

 

That's only one part of the negotiations they are trying to get some sort of agreement on, the biggest issue is having no ties to the EU they obviously don't like the fact that we can do as we want as a Sovereign country, help British business out British Airway etc, and why shouldn't we, plus as a Soverign country we can under cut the EU to bring investment in from the rest of the world with favorable deals.

 

Anybody still think getting a deal with the EU will be 'among the easiest in human history' (L. Fox) or that we have an 'oven ready deal' all lined up?
We are either going to get the crappiest of crap deals possible or no deal, which is even worse.
The idea that the EU would roll over and give us most of the benefits of membership for nothing was always a total fantasy. They were always going to play hardball. This is the biggest exercise in cutting off our nose to spite our face imaginable.

 

Rubbish, let 'em stew, we can take it to the wire, glad none of your meek and mild lot have anything to do with it...!!

 

I'm not sure you read the above comments on here Steve, but there are still possibly 4/5 days to talk, if it starts to look like a no deal I think you'll find the German car makers the french fishermen wine suppliers, cheese suppliers etc will start sword rattling to their countries leaders
Once the pressure from BIG business get involved things will change and if not we have to leave the negotiating table with no deal, we cant allow the EU any jurisdiction over how we go about our business and run our country now were out of the EU club.

 

Let them stew??!! Ha, ha, ha. The reality of which side needs a deal more appear to have escaped you.

 

We'll see. If either side caves in, it won't be the EU. Upholding the rules of the club is more important to them than tariff-free trade with us. They know perfectly well that tariffs will hit us much harder than them, because they each still have 26 other EU countries to conduct free trade with.

 

For the time being, have you not heard the Polish and I believe Hungarian governments have said they will not accept the new EU budget, Poland and Hungary have said they will not take the EU quotas of refugees because they don't want their culture diluting by refugees the EU club is looking fine and rosy.

Answer me this, the referendum was about remaining or leaving, now we've have debated soft or hard brexit but how can we be leaving the EU if we are still tie to their apron strings as they want us to stay under EU jurisdiction, if the EU can determine anything that the UK want to do in the future and the EU can stop it, how is that leaving, were out but in, its a nonsense.

 

I despair.

 

I wouldn’t be so sure that the white stallion of big business will make a blind bit of difference. I’d be pretty stunned if most big business hasn’t just braced themselves for whatever happens now they’ve been stress tested throughout this year.

British Airways and IAG basically spent the first half of this year campaigning against government bailouts for airlines, then changed their tack once they realised it wasn’t going to be enough to make Virgin go bankrupt. The German government gave Lufthansa €9bn with pretty much no expectation of anything in return.

These things pretty much always have less to do with the EU than people think.

 

So you believe the EU negotiating team will not budge with regards having the UK bound by EU jurisdiction, if that is the case and our negotiating team are not willing to accept a deal that allows that we have a no deal situation, there will be movement both sides want a deal but as Theresa May said "no deal is better than a bad deal" you have to smile when you see reruns of her making that quote can you believe that from a prime minister who never use it once at the negotiating table.

 

To be honest, I find it difficult to get that excited about whatever’s left on the table. With respect to fishing, we could pension off literally every fisherman still left in the country and it would cost us less than walking away without a deal.

It depends what you define as jurisdiction really, if it’s a set of common standards that inhibit unfettered big business, then that’s probably a...good thing? The Conservatives have a relatively strong environmental record anyway, which is a topic that requires international coordination. But there probably isn’t such a lucrative trade deal going that doesn’t have strings attached.

 

Agree as has been reported we have a good reputation with regards common standards and helped get these common standards adopted by the EU.
We won't have long to wait to find out this will go up until the final hour as has been quoted many times.

 

I'm not interested in all your scaremongering about the state of the EU. Yes, the far right racist governments of the Eastern EU members are currently causing trouble. But the main axis of Germany, France and the western democracies remain united, despite all the predictions of pending collapse and countries wanting to leave. It's much more likely that Poland, Hungary et al will be kicked out, or relegated to a second tier of satellite members, than that the EU will fold. And Biden replacing the Orange Moron will put the EU firmly back at the top table while our influence declines.

I said at the time of the referendum result that the Brexiteers' belief that the EU would cave in was nonsense.
The only way we will get tariff-free access to their market is if we accept their rules on standards. The British public have been lied to. We never could have our cake and eat it. We left the club, not them. They hold the cards and know we're bluffing.

People like you think making our own rules is more important than having free trade with our neighbours - our biggest market by far for imports and exports. But freedom to make bad trade deals with countries thousands of miles away can't hope to compensate for throwing away the huge economic advantages of being in the EU. Trade with your near neighbours is always the most important; anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.

Hopefully Labour will abstain on whatever pathetic farce of a deal Johnson tries to sell us as a triumph. Then the Tories will have to fully own the whole sorry mess that they have plunged us into. And the poor sods who will suffer as a result will hopefully come to their senses before the next General Election and kick them into the long grass after 15 years of disastrous economic mismanagement.

 

If you arent a white christian male you might as well beat yourself up in those countries, so I dont think we should use them as examples of anything