Brexit

They bought quotas not rights you of all people should understand the difference, At the moment those quotas have been adjusted and set at intervals by the EU and those companies that bought them have had them adjusted according to fish stocks over the years, The deals those companies struck were never in perpetuity and if the UK takes control it will either administer them giving adjusted quotas or terminate them with some compensation, The point been the UK will take control of administering our own sovereign waters not another nation,

 

Agree that was my point that even thought it's a club there are certain countries that will not play by the EU rules.

 

I'll leave it there Steve your obviously up tight about my question, I'll reply to your football posts in future.

 

The one consideration missing in most debates over Brexit negotiations is that we have a very ardent Brexit conservative government in power and there is no guarantee they will accept any deal that is agreed, The present feeling by those MPs is they want a 100% deal in our favor or a no deal, Agreeing a deal with the EU is just the beginning

 

It is you that miss the point, It is about who administers our waters, At the moment that is the EU under the CFP The Common Fisheries Policy agreement, If there is no deal we will no longer be bound by that policy and free to set our own Quotas, The government is rumored to be considering a licensing policy should that occur, The Quotas bought under a now non existent policy may well not be honored or compensated but in my view will be honored at least on a temporary basis

 

Fishing absolutely cannot be the sticking point that prevents a deal being reached. It is of negligible economic importance. There is no deal to be had on either side that fundamentally changes the fact that it represents 0.1% of our economy.

Who administers our waters? Aside from the obviously intentionally grandiose phrasing of the question, I honestly don’t care. And I think a lot of people that profess to care are pretending to.

 

You’ve summed it up well. Everything the tories were voted in at the last election falling apart again but people lap it up and vote for them every time. Baffling

 

Could we be near a deal.

 

While some good news this is the withdrawal agreement more for Northern Ireland, It is not the trade deal which is still in process and dispute

 

Not at all 'baffling' it's simply that the Tories have no credible opposition...

 

How dare you!!! Labour threatening to abstain on every important issue has the government shaking in their shoes!!!!

 

Step forward...Sir Nigel !!

 

I'm not uptight about your question Dave. By 'people like you' I simply meant those who believe control of our own rules is more important than tariff-free access to the EU single market. It probably wasn't well worded and sounded worse to you than intended.

Unlike you, I don't believe that No Deal is better than a bad deal. No Deal is the worst possible outcome. Yes, it would mean we wouldn't have to abide by EU standards, but I believe that those standards are very important and abandoning them will almost certainly lead to greater exploitation of ordinary working people. You say we can 'undercut' the EU but the only way we can do that is by cutting wages and working conditions. I don't want that sort of economy.
No Deal will mean tariffs, which will be economically disastrous for us, far more than for the EU.
We've already seen the first of the government cave-ins today, over Northern Ireland customs checks. I fully expect more to follow.

 

Leaving the European Union without any kind of trade deal is about as extreme a reaction to winning the referendum as joining the Euro would have been if we’d remained. That we are where we are is a failure of both sides.

If you’d said the aim would be to leave the European Union without a trade deal, it’d obviously have fundamentally changed the choice on offer, but...accelerationism is a hell of a drug.

 

I see what you're saying but it assumes that the EU standards are perfect so any deviation from that would be bad. Whereas I personally don't believe that the case.

Farming is a topical point on this and the UK seem to already be moving to a system that is arguably fairer. It shows that not every deviation from the EUs ideals is bad so we need to have the freedom to choose.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/07/brexit-good-news-uk-environment-common-agricultural-policy

Of course no deal would be bad in the short term - they'd obviously continue working on a deal in the short to medium term - but in some way it's a better starting point to negotiations than trying to negotiate "down" from a fully integrated starting point which is proving to be basically impossible.

 

Don't ever remember you factoring in the billions of pounds that we will no longer be paying in to the mafia which will then offset any pressure on tariffs etc...
For you there cannot be any positives and as if you care at all about our economy, that's a laugh...

 

Well in my opinion we will get a deal, Not the best in the world but one we can live with and maybe improve over time, The Northern Ireland ploy was very clever and has achieved the improvement we sought and a stress clause that will prove very important if no deal, However as in the past I think we will now sell fishing out in exchange for a compromise to water down the governance and level playing field clauses to an extent we can accept them,