Brexit

It is about principles, No other country in the world has given away its sovereign waters including the EU, yet the EU want from us that they would not ask of others or would contemplate giving EU waters to any other nation,

On manufacturing and creative industries etc lets see the end of negotiations, The EU cannot and will not allow a no deal,

 

As it stands trev, as a result of brexit in the creative industries and particularly touring and live shows, there will be more red tape, more cost and less freedom. None of which was what I was told brexit would do for the entire country.

Also, I remember a lot of people saying the uk will never vote for brexit and yet here we are, so that's a very dangerous line to take.

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We've known about the artist visa plan since February, and not a peep from you or any other brexiteer. Principle only matters when you're a fisherman apparently.
https://www.nme.com/news/non-uk-musicians-will-need-visa-to-perform-in-the-country-from-2021-2612337#:~:text=Artists%20will%20need%20a%20Tier,transition%20period%20in%20December%202020.

 

Do you not think if an artist is successful enough to take it across Europe that £224 is a very small price to pay to tap into a very big market?

The article also quotes....

A government spokesperson said: “Musicians and performers are a valued and important part of UK culture.
“The UK attracts world class artists, entertainers and musicians and that’s not going to change under the new system.

“The rules already permit performers from around the world to take part in events, concerts and competitions without the need for formal sponsorship or a work visa and that will continue to be the case.”

Which is correct?

 

The sell off was because our fishing quota was devastated by the common fisheries policy agreed with the EU, For example quotas for cod were virtually nil for UK fishermen, It was the fishermen who sold the quotas not the government though did allow it, As the policies of the EU changed the Quotas sold became more active and more viable and once again they could be used in UK waters to fish for those Quotas, It will still be the case after Brexit I suspect but with tougher regulation on the amount of catches landed in the UK and crewing requirements, The argument with the EU is only partly about fishing it is who owns the beneficial rights the the economic value of our sovereign waters that are ours by international law

 

The thing is, people like James Blunt etc have come out and said this isnt an issue and won't affect them. and he's right it won't because he can just pay soemone to deal with all this crap for him. the people this will hurt the most are the grassroots people, the actual logistics/behind the scenes side of everything (cos last time I checked just cos Ed Sheeran makes bank doesn't mean his roadies do) . Its basically a tax on new and emerging artists and entrepreneurialism in general and it completely stinks. saying its not a problem cos the top top stars wont be affected completely misses the point. I'm expected to deal with all this extra regulatory bullshit for the sake of fish I will never eat or fish

 

I think you missed a question, the article also says;

“The rules already permit performers from around the world to take part in events, concerts and competitions without the need for formal sponsorship or a work visa and that will continue to be the case.”

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that's only if they are classed as A-Rated, for everyone else they will need a visa

 

Where can I read about that? The article below mentions nothing of different ratings for musicians?

https://sterling-law.co.uk/en/visas/visa-artists-entertainers/

 

'in a post-Brexit shake up of the current rules, EU and non-EU based creatives who wish to travel to the UK must prove they have nearly £1000 in savings in their account some 90 days before applying for the visa. The huge sum is considered to be proof that they can support themselves, unless they are already “fully approved (‘A-rated’)”.

taken from the NME article I posted..


also worth mentioning any touring operation abroad or coming here will also have to deal with the shenanigans around getting goods in and out of this country post brexit, which on its own would be a massive headache.

 

So the goverment spokesman saying artists will carry on as they are now but some from NME saying it will be different? I'm just trying to figure out which is right and what a ''Fully approved (A-rated)'' musician is. You do realise tours operate outside of the EU and manage logistically? We aren't a third world country with no ways to facilitate tours post brexit...

 

Yes mate because the government never lie about things that are potentially damaging for them do they? So am I but to me it seems its basically your A list performers, who wouldn't be affected by these changes anyway. It's the people further down the chain who this will all hurt. It's also not just one article in the NME, anyone who actually gave a shit in the first would know there's been serious opposition to this from the entire creative sector but then again the fish are much more important.

Why would venues/festivals etc book small to mid level up and coming performers from the UK when they can get a local band cheaper and without the hassle of paperwork? Same with sound/lighting/logistics everything. And you can't just tour the UK forever otherwise whats the point even marketing music globally. Would also point out at present it's very expensive and complex for UK artists to perform in the US for example, but not the reverse weirdly.

Its adding a load of hassle, hard work, cost and paperwork in exchange for making my audience smaller, how the feck is that good for me and others in the industry haha

 

I was just trying to figure what's actually the truth that's all. I'd of thought festivals/venues will book whatever sells tickets and obviously the ticket price would reflect the costs of making it happen. I bet we have someone on here who posts on here who could help...

@DariusSyrossian

I don't know if he sitll posts/checks on here but he's very well known DJ and I'm sure you might of heard of him if you are studying some sort of music.

 

The better you are the easier it gets, When there is money to be made from an artist the problems melt away, Always have and always will

 

Did Ed Sheeran just get out of bed in the morning with a multimillion pound album? No, as with most musicians, people tend to forget the years spent gigging in smaller venues and playing for shite money to get to that position. As I said, it aint people like that this will affect. Its the next Ed Sheeran who right now won't be rolling in money.

http://www.howardgoodall.co.uk/articles-press-etc/the-musicians-passport

this blog is a good read on the issue in detail, and does a better job explaining the issues than I am.

Yes I'm familiar with Darius's music although I operate in a very different genre and sphere to him. The blog above is worth a read mate for the detail, apologies for being short with you, I was just starting to get work abroad pre pandemic and now with this crap coming in it looks like thats not going to be an avenue for me anymore.

 

That article is one of the longest whinges based on assumptions and misguidance I have read for awhile, He should be more honest with his article as it is misleading to the gullible or devoted remainer.
Having lost the argument on fishing rights you have switched to another subject in creative industries which you have also now lost,

 

Very easy to dismiss as whingeing when it isn't going to cost you money and work. Ill pop into your work tomorrow, tell you to go home without pay and then when you say thats not right call you a whinger.
Can you tell me trev what part of the article is factually misleading? As the last I checked, everything he has said was factually correct around performers working abroad.

 

I dismiss it because it is mostly a rubbish article, outside the UK and The EU you have and will continue to apply for a visa to each individual country always have most likely always will, It is to PROTECT home grown talent that will not change with Brexit, For example a US Broadway show coming to London cannot bring the US cast it must recast with British talent
Inside the EU little will change temporary work permits have already been agreed with the EU,

 

Yes and now we are going to be considered as Non-EU, anyone wanting to work in a member state will now have to seek visa approval from the government of that state, alongside itemising and declaring every single piece of equipment taken with you. Whereas before all you had to do was show your passport at Dover and you're pretty much good to go. Loads of extra red tape for no practical benefit to anyone. I've yet to see anything from you saying how this will benefit the industry at all.

If brexit is so great for the creative industry why is literally nobody in said industry supportive of it?

 

'Cos they're all chuffing 'woke'