Brexit

https://www.thearticle.com/johnson-capitulates-on-brexit?fbclid=IwAR2AE8X0Ej2Lm3MnCIKdHubJMUe1CIoM6XIcjhfLNnIRdDxxVtP3ZbP-lA0

File alongside 'oven ready deal' and 'there will be no customs border in the Irish Sea'.

 

The conversation and comment relates to financial services only, I was pointing out the world uses London not just the EU and will continue to do so after brexit,

 

Pull the other one Trevor. You and other Brexiteers have been telling us since the referendum that trade deals with every Tom, Dick & Harry around the world will be a piece of cake. It now turns out that Johnson has snuck in a U-Turn on customs checks under cover of the pandemic because he doesn't fancy food shortage riots by mid-January.

 

Shopping at ASDA post Brexit according to the BBC and other MSM outlets .

 

I think Dennis is correct because he appears to be talking from direct experience in that specific industry, as opposed to yourself who doesn't seem to have any. Trade is trade and we are going to be putting up a load of arbitrary barriers to said trade with a no deal brexit. why would they stay here and deal with all that crap, when they could shift operations abroad and continue as before with no restrictions? The simple fact is under a no deal brexit, it will be more costly to do business here. that is the bottom line every business and industry will look at.

 

I like how you make up and assume both my experience and qualifications are nil when you have no idea of them and then decide Because of that you assume that my posts are not worth value, I would not dream of assuming and guessing what your job and education is although your posts give a clue, It is a common theme of the uneducated to assume others are the same as them and rather than discuss the subject denigrate the others assumed level of knowledge on a subject,
I assure you my forecasts from my experience will be nearer the mark when negotiations are complete, We will not have long to wait to see I am right,

 

Much as I appreciate it is easier to put words in others mouths and then make argument against the post they have assumed rather than the real post, The subject WAS with @Dennis on financial services not on general trade,
However should you wish to discuss future trade with either the US, EU, World trade then am happy to discuss with you, Just ask you reply on what I have posted not what you think I have or what suits you,

 

Isn't that what you did when you claimed I didn't understand the subject? You haven't mentioned you have any, and your posts give a clue to me that you don't.

 

Find it strange calling out peoples opinion because of their field of expertise when you were making bold statements about supply chain and from what I can tell you've had very little to do with supply chain, music at Uni and now doing bar work is it?

Does that mean I should write your opinion off on anything you haven't worked in?

 

It will be a double edged sword , it will make French and German cars more expensive , the Wine imported from France more expensive . The manufactures in Europe will love that . It will be a compromise at the end of the day , they have as much to lose maybe even more . I have an hi- speck Hyundai it's comparable to anything Merc ,BMW Renualt produce at £5k cheaper it's a lot better value and of course the fuel and emmission figurers are spot on .

 

Not from the Guardian, but the Spectator:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-red-wall-overwhelmingly-opposes-a-no-deal-brexit

It seems the British public have more sense than this pathetic excuse of a government.

 

I've donea little bit more than that buddy but ok.I can send you a copy of my CV if you're that desperate to see it. I only took that tone because I felt trev was overly patronising to me. Disagree with me all you want, you'll see tons of people have in the george floyd thread but if you try and patronise or speak to me disrespectfully I will treat you the same. I'm sorry if you have an issue with that but I think speak to others as you want to be spoken to is a fair way to live your life. Of course not, but when someone says something that based on your own experiences is impractical, why would I believe that person knows what they're on about. I haven't suggested anything impractical or unworkable, just questioning what Trevor was proposing.

With regard to my role at VW, it was a big part of my job to understand how long specific parts or full vehicles would take to arrive in this country and manage retailers expectations accordingly. How can I do that without an understanding of how the supply chain works and various methods of delivery? There's several different ways VW used to ship parts in particularly and they all relied on no customs checks at the border to get through quickly, in fact most goods coming in rely on that. Thats why JIT is even a thing.

 

Yes we heard the remainers tell us for 31/2 years we did not understand brexit, we then voted the Tories in with a very good majority, once again I have not heard any such comments from people I know many voting Blue for the first time in their lives, infact Steve they have said Barnier & Co are taking the pi** with regards trying to keep us in alliance with EU regulation and want to pull out in July..

 

JIT can apply to anything, regardless of how long it takes to be be delivered. It could be 6 months but if it's still arrives just before it's needed then it's JIT. I wasn't having a dig at your career, I couldn't care less what you've done and I hope everyone has a great career and peruses whatever it is they want to do, I just thought you were pretty dismissive of someones ideas!

 

So are you saying that those people referred to in the article were lying to the pollsters?

 

Not at all Steve that's what your suggesting.
Pollsters have been massively wrong in the past even as recent as the last General election in December, I'm just wondering why you believe "The Spectator" has any more credibility than other pollsters ?.
I am explaining what others are saying to me when the brexit is raised, they still want bexit with no strings attached, and wouldn't be unhappy with no deal if the EU negotiators persist with this stupid idea of trying to keep us in alliance with EU regulation.
This situation is not going away, and the way it is going (and I accept the EU aren't going to give us a good deal) then if they persist the way they are going then we go no deal, that's what I'm being told.

 

That certainly seems to be the way it's going. We seem to want them to give us the benefits of membership without obeying the club rules and they obviously aren't going to let us have our cake and eat it. So it looks like we are headed for No Deal, tariffs and all, which will have a major impact on our exports and particularly our food supplies. We import 85% of our fruit and veg from Europe and two thirds of our processed meat, such as ham and sausages. If WTO tariffs apply then the cost of our basic food shopping will increase significantly.

It's hard to ignore a poll stat that says 88.9% of red wall voters (& 88.6 of red wall leave voters) think securing a decent trade deal with the EU is either important or very important. On a very large sample size of 4317 voters it's highly unlikely that can be totally inaccurate. Even if (say) 20% of those polled gave an untruthful answer that still leaves a substantial majority saying that a good trade deal is important.

Clearly you and, it seems, most of your associates, are committed Brexiteers who are unconcerned by a No Deal exit, if it comes to that. You seem to believe that we will not be badly economically damaged and, even if we are, it's a price worth paying to stop free movement and withdraw from EU rules. But not everyone who voted for Brexit, or switched to Tory last November, is as commited as you. Many were convinced by the government's insistence that a deal would be easy to get, as we were promised, or were so sick of the Brexit impasse that they voted for the party that promised a quick way out of it. And, of course, many voted Tory because of Corbyn.
Now we have the pandemic and many people are struggling financially. Lots are going to lose jobs and businesses when the furlough/support scheme ends and we are facing years of economic difficulty to recover, even if we don't get a second wave. What this poll suggests to me is that many people are worried and don't want to add the economic risks of a no deal Brexit on top of the inevitable pandemic-led recession.

 

Its a game Steve you recognize that by saying the EU will not give us a soft deal, its going to be hard nosed negotiating process, but the leaving with no deal is very much in everyone's mind unfortunately May was never prepared to use it and the EU negotiators thought it was easy.
I posted before the horse has bolted you remainers had your chance of taking Mays deal, you had the momentum and possibly a majority, I think many MPs were far to cocky and thought (because we were being told many leavers have changed their minds and weren't happy with a no deal option) it would be a close call in the General Election because Cobyn did well in the previous General Election unfortunately once again the remainers got it wrong.
Let's hope it doesn't come to the UK walking away but if the EU believe what they are offering is as far as they can go and our negotiators don't then we walk, as bad as we may be with Covid-19 and our borrowing spiraling I'm not sure staying in a Union that is fratching between themselves, accusing each other of not being united in fighting the virus is the answer.

 

After 4 years of delays and silly 1/2 in 1/2 out deals all the remainers and the EU never expected the resounding defeat labour suffered . Total misjudgement , the EU have finally realised a brick as been knocked out ot their wall . In the past ( very democratic ) the EU have made people Vote Vote Vote till they got the result they wanted . Well not this time , there wil be a deal because the EU threats dont work anymore .

 

Unfortunately for the EU our chief negotiator David Frost will not be taken for a fool I'd suggest he was told try and get a deal but we won't be kept in an alliance, and with regards our fishing waters we are happy to discuss quota's as part of the negotiations but they will not be a free for all.