Brexit

But what exactly do you mean by a 'fair deal'?

From what I've seen, most Brexit supporters seem to want the EU to give us easy access to their internal market without tariffs, customs checks, compliance with their standards, their system of legal adjudication or the free movement of labour that is an intrinsic part of their market. And they expect us to get these concessions without being a member of the club or paying our subs.

That's not a fair deal, it's wanting to have our cake and eat it. There's no way the EU will give us that and they'd be absolutely bonkers to do so.

Brexiteers talk about the EU being intransigent but so are we. We want all the benefits of membership alongside the freedom to do as we please. That's not going to happen. What concessions have we made? None, as far as I can see.

 

Have we got a deal or not? Or was it a good way to win an election?

 

One deal we could impose is equality on car import/export, We could impose a limit on EU imports of cars to the amount we export to them, We sell 800.000 to the EU and they sell us 2.3 million to the UK market, The loss of a market of 1.5 ,million cars would hit the EU and Germany Very hard where it matters,

 

Yeah, that will be popular with millions of Britons who want a new BMW, Audi, Skoda, Seat, Volvo, Fiat, Renault, Citroen etc etc and can't get one.
The reason we import so many cars is because we no longer have a car industry to speak of. Not everyone wants to drive a Nissan , even assuming they're still here once the tariffs kick in.

 

Plenty here to choose from,
Made in Britain

• MINI – MINI, MINI Clubman and MINI Countryman, in Cowley, Oxford
• Honda – Civic and CR-V in Swindon
• Toyota – Auris, Auris hybrid and Avensis in Burnaston, Derbyshire
• Nissan – Juke, Qashqai, Note and Leaf and Infiniti Q30 in Sunderland, Tyne and Wear
• Lotus – Elise, Evora and Exige in Norfolk
• Aston Martin – DB9, Vantage, Rapide, Vanquish, and DB11 in Gaydon, Warwickshire
• Bentley Motors – Continental, Flying Spur and Mulsanne in Crewe, Cheshire
• Rolls Royce – Ghost and Wraith in Goodwood, West Sussex
• Jaguar – F-Pace and XE in Solihull, and F-type, XJ, XF and XE in Castle Bromwich, Birmingham
• Land Rover – Discovery Sport and Range Rover Evoque in Halewood, Merseyside, and Range Rover, Range Rover Sport and Land Rover Defender in Solihull, West Midlands
• Vauxhall – Astra at Ellesmere Port and Vivaro van in Luton

Maybe more will move here to keep market share,

 

Honda in Swindon is closing down, FYI.

Plus, Lotus/Aston Martin/Bentley Motors/Rolls Royce/Jaguar and Morgan are a wee bit out of my price range.

 

Yes I thought @trevor reply was more appropriate to @Fordy117 .

 

Funnily enough, that list doesn't look much like the majority of cars I see on our streets. But bring it on, I say. If anything is likely to cause a Brexit backlash, your idea to create endemic shortages of all the nation's most popular cars is likely to be pretty high on the list.

 

Who in their right mind would build a car plant in the UK now regardless of Brexit? Better off in Poland whose infrastructure is growing all the time and labour rates are dirt cheap.

 

This country served its purpose for the wealthy industrialist starting around 200 years ago with the industrial revolution, which we were leaders of. Times have changed and most of this countries industrial might has been in decline from after the first world. Brexit or no brexit isn't going to change that. Globalisation has led big business to set up in untapped countries where primarily labour is cheap and plenty and where building new infrastructure is not dependant on building round 200 years of old roads, railways and airports. Its why Trump can never gain on his promise to take industry back to the US, its quite clearly never gonna be cost effective to his big business mates. The reason why his MAGA hats, t shirts and hoodies were made in the far east.

 

The average Tariff on a no deal outcome will be very low on most goods to and from the EU, The Tarrif on cars is 10% but as the EU sell us 1.2 million more cars than we do to them then a deal will be done at least on cars, The pressure on the EU by Hyundai, Kia and Suzuki who supply the UK from Hungary along with the German and French and Italian manufacturers will grow and encourage the EU negotiators to finalise a deal

 

Perhaps The Ford Transit factory at Eastleigh nr southampton would be a better example , moved to TURKEY funded with an EU grant . The Transit was / is by far the UKs most popular van . We've left except it move on .