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Strange how MPs change their opinions to suit the situation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/a8t9pt/jeremy_corbyns_record_on_europe/

Anyone would have expect Jeremy to be a pro-brexiter with a voting record like this.

 

Some will sell their souls to get power.

 

All of that is irrelevant. Remain means one thing - remain in the EU, wherever that takes us in future. There was no ambiguity about voting remain.
Leave, however, can mean many things to different people, as we are seeing. You may be happy about a no deal brexit, but many others who voted to leave did not vote for no deal. A No Deal brexit is completely incompatible with (eg) a Norway+ brexit, yet both ideas were allowed to count the same in the referendum. That is undemocratic.

We need another referendum in which the real choices, not pipe dreams, are placed before the country. (Incidentally that's what Jacob Rees-Mogg advocated before the 2016 vote). If the people then vote explicitly for No Deal then, fair enough, that's what we'd go for. But to implement No Deal, relying on the votes of the millions who voted for a different kind of Brexit, is totally immoral.

 

Bang on @Onside the vote was to leave, David Cameron said "a vote leave means to leave the EU single market and the Customs Union". that would mean we took control of our borders, we control who comes into the country not the EU with free movement, we are free to trade with the rest of the world, we make our own laws, but we have to leave, something the majority of MPs both sides do not want.

 

Well she's still Prime Minister 325 for 306 against.

You couldn't make it up May offers to talk brexit with any MP who's willing to engage in talks, now there are pre-conditions from Corbyn that May promises that a no deal is taken off the agenda, help me out here how can she make that decision when that was always a possibility if there was no deal.

 

You have no idea why millions of people voted how they did, That is just an unqualified personal opinion much like the millions of individual opinions that voters used with their own opinion and judgement on how to vote, You say you would accept another no deal result but you are being dishonest in both your post and to yourself, Remainers will never accept defeat and if they lost again would resort to the best of 3/5/7/9 etc until like the EU you got your way.

 

After all those months of the Daily Mail and The Times imploring Mrs May to listen to Jeremy Corbyn, who everyone knows is the only person who can save Brexit, it is no wonder they are so cross with him this morning...

 

I don’t think there will be any tariffs if there is a no deal tariff. Currently the EU import more goods to us than we to them, so in my view that is the first thing that would happen is that nil tariffs. They have already said there will be a suspension of lorries requiring passes, this will last for 9 months. I think there will be a disruption to the economy for a period of months. I just don’t believe that it will be the disaster that is being predicted.

If we are leaving, of course it makes sense to have a trading agreement with our closest neighbours but it can’t be at any cost. There is a tipping point that it is not in our nations financial interests whereby you might well as stay in the EU, rather than this half way in. I may be wrong but that is what have picked up.

 

Not too sure the privatised utilities are doing a good job especially the railways, I'd say they are all cartels within there different sectors.
When we come out of the EU they will no longer have any say in how our government want to proceed, surely that's the whole point in leaving ?.
I'm with you no problem with our European neighbours had some great holidays abroad and hope to continue, and if the EU try to make it difficult for UK citizens to go to any EU member states for a holiday I'll continue going to Egypt, I understand the Egyptian government have now meet the criteria set down with regards flights out of Sharm El Sheikh.
The Common Market yes I remember those days very well.

 

I'd suggest 18 is an age when teenagers should either be aware of the world around them and get involved.
Now with regards you last comment I think many 70 year old's have a wealth of worldly experiences things that you accumulate over your life which allow you to voice your opinion and in the case of the referendum vote which way the individual see the future outside a very undemocratic club.
The EU has come a long way since the days both your parents, me and my parents voted with regards staying in the EC/EEC, the original idea being advantages of trading between like for like countries, rather ironic one of the pledges by the then Labour government was " the October 1974 general election had promised that the people would decide "through the ballot box" whether to remain in the EC.
Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision—whichever way it goes." ring any bells.

 

Members of cabinet resign when things go wrong and parliament holds them to account, The executive may well be outvoted by fellow MPs,
Compare with your 75 MEPs or indeed the whole EU parliament where no one is held to account and cannot think of one MEP who has had or volunteered on a point of policy or principle to resign since its inception. Democracy is a word they laugh at in the EU

 

Not bad for 69,

 

You couldn't have put it much more straight forward as that, just why are we (some, anyway) actually voting to be dictated to and kicked around by a foreign power that will never show any mercy especially after recent events..?

 

Best you argue with yourself as you see words that only you seem to be able to misunderstand, Must be a remain thing deliberately twisting words to suit

 

Are you still here.....?

 

Oh how we laughed......at you..

 

You're the one that's out of step with reality, that is all............

 

Interesting conversation tonight with someone who is involved in a level of 'no deal ' preparation. Firstly, the civil service is reaching breaking point trying to do business as usual as well as being seconded from all over to contribute to no deal planning. Secondly, base planning for aspects of no deal is the 2011 volcanic eruptions, when the country was effectively closed for four days.

As my mate said, we are ready for feck all on 29th March because we just don't know.

 

It's going to be an interesting few weeks now May has got backing to play her hand, no movement on the back stop we walk, the EU under pressure
I think commonsense will prevail and an agrement around the backstop when the UK can exit and that wil be the UKs decision ?.

 

It has sure sent an uncomfortable message to the EU. Even the arrogant Macron can't just say his usual 'non'.

IMHO the best negotiating tool we have always had is no-deal. It doesn't mean that's what we necessarily want, but the threat of it is powerful and will be a wake-up call for an intransigent EU.