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Asylum Seekers

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Tony Wilkinson, Aug 12, 2020.

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  1. Dennis

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    Please don't lump all boomers together! ;)
     
    #141 Dennis, Aug 20, 2020
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  2. Bronco

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    Once again were in an area that a figure can't be put on it if they have entered illegally that suggests no government know the number and that is parties of all political persuasion yes I would think if they have been brought in by traffickers it wont be a good life as they might if expected, maybe another reason they should go down the legal route as many have in the past.
    I dont think anyone has disagreed these people are desperate it must be hell living in some of those countries, so why do they not claim asylum in the first safe country they enter, unless as you posted they are told to move on, which I could understand with regards the likes of Greece and Italy.

    You're correct governments over the years have never got a grip on the issue as you say.
     
    #142 Bronco, Aug 20, 2020
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    Brexit ?.
     
    #143 Bronco, Aug 20, 2020
  4. SimonW

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    In many cases its not so much that they are 'desperate', they are just after a better life anywhere but then get sold this utopian dream of the UK by the criminals. And there is a massive opertunity in the UK's black market so its not a completly false dream. They then pay only to have the criminals work out ways to up the price after payment. That then gets them having to work the debt off, debt they will never work off because the criminals are also charging them things like accomadation costs so they get stuck in it. If they could get out of it though there is a decent amount they could make, perhaps not alot by our standards but compared to what they make at home its a decent amount
     
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    #144 SimonW, Aug 20, 2020
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    Sounds plausible and the really scary thing is that the authorities don't seem to be doing very much about it.

    And that is what is perpetuating the situation.

    How many car washes have sprung up in the last few years-money laundering and slave labour? Probably. Willing labour always available.
     
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    #145 Keefly Bantam, Aug 20, 2020
  6. SimonW

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    I don't think there is that much that they can do really. If they get in a position to raid them all they end up getting is a bunch of illegals and a few low level people. They setup in such a way that any losses due to a raid are limited, nothing ever gets near those behind it so they never get implicated and if they lose some workers they have plenty more waiting in the wings. So they just setup somewhere else. It would need that supply across the channel to be stopped or atleast massivly dented to have much impact on closing down anything using black market trade
     
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  7. YungNath

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    can you break that down for me i.e what proportion of that figure comes from where, and also provide some sources.
     
    #147 YungNath, Aug 23, 2020
  8. Tony Wilkinson

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    Give it a rest and get a life......
     
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    #148 Tony Wilkinson, Aug 23, 2020
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    It looks like the EU and the UK have not been able to agree a policy about migrants/asylum seekers after the UK leaves. So expect a dramatic increase in numbers coming from Europe, with no system whatsoever to return people to Europe.

    ‘EU negotiators have rejected a British request for a migration pact that would allow the government to return asylum seekers to other European countries.

    When the Brexit transition period expires on 31 December, the government will lose the right to transfer refugees and migrants to the EU country in which they arrived, a cornerstone of the European asylum system known as the Dublin regulation‘.

    Still we have left the EU so we will just have to ‘get on with it’, as we have ‘taken control of our borders’.
     
    #149 Bigrod, Aug 24, 2020
  10. trevor

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    Do your own research, Lazy Git :D
     
    #150 trevor, Aug 24, 2020
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    that will be ‘no reliable source’ then
     
    #151 Storck, Aug 24, 2020
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  12. Bronco

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    I never took you as a sore loser.
     
    #152 Bronco, Aug 24, 2020
  13. SimonW

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    Yes because figures for a shadow economy are so well documented that you can get it in such detail. It's not like the actual economy where official records are available, those working in the shadow economy do so in secret so its all just estimates
     
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    #153 SimonW, Aug 24, 2020
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    well trev was confident enough to say it's worth 150 billion in big capital letters, if you cant back up your numbers dont say them
     
    #154 YungNath, Aug 24, 2020
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    the onus isnt on me to disprove what you say, its on you to prove it Trev. if you can't im just going to assume you're making it up
     
    #155 YungNath, Aug 24, 2020
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    trev seems very clued up on this so im just asking him to explain what should be straight forward info if what he says is true. i have a life and its great thanks mate, i can even back that up with evidence! ;)
     
    #156 YungNath, Aug 24, 2020
  17. SimonW

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    If you could be arsed to do a search on Shadow Economy of the UK you would get the figure. You won't get a full break down like you want but the estimate is there
     
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    #157 SimonW, Aug 24, 2020
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  19. YungNath

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    This is why I asked for a breakdown. what proportion of that is things like russian dark money and what proportion is failed asylum seekers working at car washes for example. not expecting anything mega detailed but reasonable estimates will do
     
    #159 YungNath, Aug 24, 2020
  20. YungNath

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    I can';t be arsed because I'm not the one trying to say anything about it. It's all well and good implying I'm being lazy but I'm under no obligation to go out and find evidence for someone else's claim, that would be ridiculous. It's important to have a breakdown because the shadow economy will be made up of loads of different things and not just illegal immigrants, which is why just posting the total figure isn't enough.
     
    #160 YungNath, Aug 24, 2020
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