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Asylum Seekers

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Tony Wilkinson, Aug 12, 2020.

  1. YungNath

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    are you being myopic on purpose or are you just thick
     
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  2. Tony Wilkinson

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    Just realistic mate, is that foreign to you...?
     
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    I worked with asylum seeker a few years back, nice lad only 18. Can't remember which African country it was he came from but unicef had got the lad out of a local jail his uncle had put him in because he had objected to his younger sister being made to marry a village elder ( iirc she was about 12 and he was in his 50s.) His Dad saw it as his son bringing shame on the family so asked his brother (the lads uncle) to get him jailed. Felt sorry for him being here on his own and not being able to see his mum and sisters but some of those African countries are backward beyond belief.
     
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  4. Keefly Bantam

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    That is why we have an asylum system. Imagine being put in jail by your own family cos you didn't want a paedophile to shag your 12 year old sister.
     
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  5. Tony Wilkinson

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    Why us...?
    Anyway, you usually post mostly sensible contributions and yet you are miles out with this subject ( in my opinion)...
     
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  6. Bronco

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    The fact that Chris Phillips the Home Office Minister backs up Farage's comments with regards the illegal immigrants/economic migrants with the figures he quoted in the House of Commons backs up what Farage said during his videos.
    Yes of course he's biased he formed the UKIP party and through UKIP he was responsible for getting David Cameron to go to the EU with he begging bowl getting very little to bring back and convince the British electorate basically being told by the EU go back and do as your told, hence Cameron giving the UK a chance to decide in a one off referendum if they wanted to remain or leave.
    After three and a half years of a House Of Commons overwhelmingly pro EU MPs who were trying to derail the deal we had a situation where Theresa May had little if any credibility left so she was kicked out as she was becoming an embarrassment to the Tory party and for for Boris to take the leadership and the electorate giving the Tories a massive 80+ majority to "get the deal done" unfortunately Covid-19 has most of the headlines and rightly so too but were told there will be no extension, and we leave at 11pm on December 31st deal or no deal.
    So Farage was the instigator of where we now find ourselves, so yes I'd suggest that makes him a little bias;).
     
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    I think the asylum system is needed, like anything it ends up being abused by people who the system was never intended to help, a bit like the benefits system in this country. Its like a different world over there though, the stories you see hear are shocking. Once worked on a job where two afghans were labouring . Got talking with one of them and through broken English found out he had to leave Afghanistan after his brother disappeared after being found out he was part of the Afghan police, the Taliban found out and wanted him to blow himself up in American air base he had access to. He refused and kinda disappeared. His brother hadn't seen hm for seven years, i didn't have the heart to tell him he'd gone for good. Honestly, its a crazy world out there.
     
  8. Dennis

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    It isn't just us. It's almost every country in the world who are signatories to the UN's Convention on Refugees - but not China, Russia and Belarus -who consider the position of asylum seekers reaching their shores.

    Have a look at my earlier post #39 where I showed the stats for other European countries. We don't consider as many asylum seekers as Germany, France, Spain and Greece and relative to our populations, not as many as Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark and others. So it definitely isn't just us despite what some of the press suggest by focusing on only one aspect of asylum seekers. They want Brits to believe it is just us.

    https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/asylum-seekers.4120/page-2#post-384112
     
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    But are they asylum seekers the fact that many have come through several EU countries where they could claim asylum makes a bit of a mockery of their saying they only want to claim asylum in Britain but not Greece, Italy,Germany, or France ?.
     
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  10. Tony Wilkinson

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    With respect, I do understand that Dennis and I do remember your post but I do think that we have enough on accommodating legal applications and that the illegals should seek help elsewhere, we must make looking after our own the priority...
     
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  11. YungNath

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    hes spent his entire political career of however many decades campaigning against immigrants, of course he's going to be biased in a documentary about immigrants
     
  12. Dennis

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    Yes, it's not reevant to their status where they travelled through. They are still asylum seekers. It's the first country where they seek asylum which is important. It is a matter for the UK itself whether it chooses to send them back to countries en route. It does in some cases (such as recently to Germany, France and Italy) but for some it doesn't and for others it sends them back to their originating country
     
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  13. Tony Wilkinson

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    So what's your problem...? freedom of speech...?
     
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    Tony I have already explained that all asylum applications are vetted and THEN decided whether they are legal or not.

    And where is this elsewhere that you allude to, that they should seek help from?

    Now if you are having a go at the Government for not tracking refused applicants correctly , I am with you on that.
     
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    Gets me when he is filming from the back of his Bentley or Roller. Surely his house(s) are big enough to take a few in? ;)
     
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  16. Dennis

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    I understand that and illegals, included failed asylum seekers should be returned from where they came. We do it sometimes but easily lose control of them because the Govt's own processes for housing them in controlled areas is very patchy. Most of it is done by Serco and Group4. We've had various attempts as 'catching' illegals (do you remember Mrs May's BF vans touring parts of the country?) but the reality is they soon become part of the black economy and we do virtually nothing to take any kind of action of the employers who use these illegals as sweat labour. It's the Govt who should be questioned about this rather than simply blaming the illegals.
     
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    We accept many come from war torn countries, what is a little baffling is possibly 90% of what we are seeing getting escorted into the UK are mainly young men, if the ratio were families it would possibly be more acceptable, but I and many more don't understand if they are fleeing wars I'd suggest the first "safe haven" where they could claim asylum would be a God send obviously not as their aim is the UK.
     
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    This is the same guy who lied when he said 80 million Turks would soon be entitled to come to the UK and then had posters displayed implying these were Turks in a queue waiting to enter the UK. In reality they were posters of Syrian refugees fleeing the war in Syria waiting to be admitted into Turkey as asylum seekers and refugees. He's detestable.
     
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    i dont get why he doesn't just buy a boat and get out there himself if it really bothers him that much, he's got the money for it
     
  20. Tony Wilkinson

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    He chooses as would you or I not to, nowt to do with any vehicles he owns.....
     
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