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Asylum Seekers

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Tony Wilkinson, Aug 12, 2020.

  1. Tony Wilkinson

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    He's the best prime minister we never had....
     
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  2. Tony Wilkinson

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    Politics of envy again, you get out there and reel a few in if you're that concerned....
     
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  3. Dennis

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    Rather than assume things, I suggest you have a look at the earlier post where the stats on asylum seekers arriving in various European countries was shown. Despite what the Express and Sun and Farage might suggest, the vast majority of asylum seekers, even of those who get to Europe, do not come to the UK.

    https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/asylum-seekers.4120/page-2#post-384112
     
  4. Keefly Bantam

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    Many thousands don't choose to claim asylum in the UK. I think we have relatively low numbers compared with the rest of the world.

    And its not just people fleeing war that claim asylum as @Rogered Tart@Rogered Tart alluded to earlier.

    At the end of the day its OUR Home Office that decide on the merit of every application.
     
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    You have just broken cover. : unamused:
     
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  6. Bronco

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    It's a Black Range Rover mate rover.jpg Your correct the government are making themselves look silly but then again whilst were still in the transition period we have to abide by EU rules, what makes it laughable is they are strolling around the hotel grounds who could stop them walking out and being lost into the black economy.
     
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    I agree. So who is to blame? If they are refused asylum they should be rounded up and rightly deported.
     
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  8. Tony Wilkinson

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    Hurrah....!!
     
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  9. Bronco

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    As you know that is not the point were debating, when these economical migrants as they cant be called asylum seekers or they would have stayed in the first country they could claim asylum.
    They should come through the legal channels as many asylum seekers have come through in the past and get accepted then fine but that is not the case so how many the rest of Europe take is irreverent.
     
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  10. Dennis

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    Asylum seekers are nothing to do with the EU whatsoever. I'll repeat it for the hard of hearing .. Being in the EU or outside of the EU has no bearing on how we handle asylum seekers. We accept asylum seekers along with another 145 countries across the world because we signed up 70 years ago the the UN Charter on Refugees. We have left the EU and we still consider applications from asylum seekers and we still turn down more than 50% of them.
     
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    Asylum seekers DO NOT have to seek asylum in the first country they enter. Most probably don't even know the distinction. It is an agreement between most European countries that if an asylum seeker reaches a particular country, say the UK, the UK is within its rights (under what is called the Dublin Agreement) to deny the asylum seeker's application and return the asylum seeker to a previous country. Whether we do so is amatter for the UK Govt. We certainly do it for some but definitely not for all failed asylum seekers. If we don't, it's our fault.
     
  12. Keefly Bantam

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    Said that ages ago. Clearly you don't read my posts. Or didn't understand them.
     
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  13. Bronco

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    Oh dear Dennis you don't like being questioned do you.................
    There coming through another EU country of which were still a part of until the transition period is over and there for have to abide by EU law, if they were coming direct from these war torn countries it would be totally different, the French government are doing little to stop it even though they have had a large amount of money given by the UK government to stop these people coming across on rubber dinghies, we play lip service to trafficking and allow this to go on.
     
  14. Tony Wilkinson

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    Still think you're a bit flakey though...;);)
     
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  15. Keefly Bantam

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    The legal channel you refer to is when they ask for asylum upon apprehension by the authorities.

    I think you are getting confused by migration and asylum seekers. 2 separate things.

    EU nationals can (currently) migrate-so can you-into another EU country.

    If you are outside the EU and not an asylum seeker you have to apply for leave to remain and work in the UK. Again its an Home Office decision.
     
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    No they DO NOT have to but most would think having traveled thousands of miles to get to a safe haven then that is what most would do.
     
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    Especially when the travel to the next destination is potentially the most unsafe leg of the journey?
     
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    I find it difficult to accept if you have been in a situation like these (manly young men) tell the authorities they have fled from they would be more than happy to accept asylum in the first safe country, I accept other EU countries have taken many more than the UK many under duress its certainly not going down well in old Eastern block countries.
    The majority are not EU nationals are they, as you say once the country they claim asylum acknowledge that and allow them French/German/Italian status then as EU citisens they have free movement, certainly up until December 31st ?.
     
  20. Dennis

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    You seem to have ignored everything I wrote eralier on asylum seekers.

    What EU rule are you referring to? There is no EU rule which we or France or any other EU country has to abide with.

    Why do you keep referring to the EU when how we deal with asylum seekers (or France or Germany or Greece for that matter) has got nothing to do with anybody's membership of the EU?

    At the riskof repeating myself again, it is our membership of the UN (and every other country's) and being a signatory to the UN Convention on Refugees which determines how we deal with asylum seekers.
     

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