Where will it end... 12th September as it happens

Breaking News:

German football to start back on 9th of May!

 

Breaking news: only if approved

 

It will be.

They just getting a feel of reaction.

Clubs already back in training.

FIND SOLUTIONS! Germany have made the U.K. look like a 3rd country throughout this virus... British has been an embarrassment and dubbed 1 & 2 clubs not helping.

 

It’s the bundesliga so far only isn’t it? Probably clubs who can afford to quarantine players and staff. Also in a country which is way ahead of us.
it doesn’t solve the problem in lower leagues. Fully expect the premier league to return but how does that solve our problem?

 

We don't find a solution league 1 & 2 gets devalued for years to come and Neville at Salford knows this.

New leagues will be created and I can see us being classed as a non league team while Salford and their riches being PL 2.

Why do you think Salford didn't Furlough any staff? Highlighting they can mix it.

They're solutions but I said I wouldn't give any but they're plenty of solutions to finish the season mate and Bradford urgently need to make sure it finishes! It dones matter if it finishes in October, it has to finish.

 

Am I missing something here? With no vaccine or effective treatment likely until well into 2021(if at all), who is going to feel safe in September sitting cheek by jowl in a crowd of thousands? I'm nearly 64 and many around me in C Block are older. Any of us could be unknowingly spreading the virus to many more of us.
I'm with Whitty on this. Social distancing is with us for a long time to come. Unless something changes drastically in the next few months - like the widespread availability of instant self-testing, or the virus burns itself out suddenly, or much more understanding about immunity (none of which seem likely) I just can't see it being safe to resume normal social gatherings by September.
Death rates from Covid-19 start to rise significantly from age 45 onwards, with males at most risk. So, while youngsters may feel safe, a big chunk of the VP crowd would be putting themselves at significant risk by resuming normal match attendance in September.
I bought my season ticket for next season soon after they went on sale. I wouldn't ask for a refund but won't attend games unless I'm confident it's safe. But many haven't purchased and, I suspect, won't do unless the virus magically disappears quicker than anyone expects.

 

I've no idea how you legislate for this, and I fear for the common sense factor, but there's going to have to be some room for flexibility. There needs to be a grown up dialogue between the State and the Public. I think a reasonable basis, is the statement made by Prof. Whitty yesterday, that the goal in managing this thing over a longer term is keeping the R rate below 1. That means for every one person who becomes infected, they infect no more than 1 other person on average. I think people can readily understand that target and we should use it as a point of reference for managing the epidemic going forward, more so than deaths etc, because we can't prevent deaths entirely and we need to focus on managing the spread so that its minimized and that the health system can cope.

So on that basis, we have Social distancing measures and guidelines but we accept that some scenarios can't allow for social distancing. Public Transport and Air Travel for example. So perhaps we allow those modes of travel but caveat it with 'don't travel unless neccesary'. Encourage people that for 1-2 years, domestic holidays that you can travel to in your own car should be the way forward.

Certain sports can't apply social distancing. But we can play behind closed doors.

Where people can work from home - they do so. For 12-18 months if necessary. Smaller businesses need to apply 2m distancing rules and adapt working practices accordingly wherever possible.

Split schools into halves. So pupils have a couple of days with a teacher, but are then equipped for a couple of days home learning.

Gyms - by appointment only, limited to 1-2 visits per week, capping the number of people at one time.

It won't be perfect by any means but if we can give people principles like:
Whilst most services will be open for use, you should aim to utilize those services something like 25% of what you would've done, pre-covid. So instead of 1 meal out a week, you do one a month.
The goal is to minimize contact between households, so Social distancing must be used wherever possible.
The target is keeping the R Rate below 1

Get the right PR and comms in place and it could work. And if we make clear that the common sense approach isn't enough or isn't applied properly, then we'll be back into lockdown. That thought alone might drive the right behaviours more than people think.

 

Even when the lock down is lifted, social distancing measures will remain for the foreseeable. Germany has started publishing how they are going to ease these but on the 15th April, Merkel extended the ban on all major events—concerts, festivals, football matches etc.—until August 31st. The large scale events won't resume until 24th October at the earliest.

“We have learned from the press conference of the Berlin Senate on 21 April, that according to the Containment Ordinance, all events with more than 5,000 persons will be prohibited until 24 October,” organisers said.

GIVEN this information it will be very interesting to see HOW the Bunesliga restarts May 9th.

Football will 100% be behind closed doors in this country for the foreseeable... that's if they can formulate a plan to play it safely behind closed doors.

I work in live events and I just cannot see us being able to re-open venues this year, or most of next year without a vaccine. One it's impossible for people to be truly socially distant, two it's impossible for travelling companies to keep their artists / cast safe and virus free, one person in the band / cast gets it and that's it, the show cancels, so it's not worth the risk to producers and promoters. Three, no insurance company will want to touch large scale venues, so how do we ensure we have appropriate insurance in place.

Without a vaccine, regular mass testing (and a way to prove your testing status) it's just impossible to get things safely open again. EVEN in the event that government WANT to get everything open again and try and force venues to re-open, telling people it's safe to go to these events (like they did consistently before they banned them) many venues will not be able to do so without knowing the risks.

The only way I can see football returning is behind closed doors, in a closed environment with regular testing and an enforced quarantine period beforehand.

 

A friend of mine owns a light fitting manufacting business down south and said he is bringing back a skeleton staff next week in the hope the lockdown is relaxed the week after. Staff were clamouring to shut down on health worries to start with but attitudes are changing a bit now. We locked down to protect the old and vulnerable and it has not gone very well so people are getting less inclined to continue. (He recently had to turn down an urgent order for a Nightingale hospital. He thought he could get staff in to make it but could not get parts from suppliers that had shut down.)

 

A Daily Mail link I posted earlier showed R had already dropped to 1.2 from 2.5 the week BEFORE lockdown from people washing hands, social distancing and generally being cautious. It would not take much to get that under 1 even if lockdown was lifted, especially if there is more immunity out there now. More people are wearing masks voluntarily, too. It's possible we could lift lockdown and R would stay below 1. Austria opened small stores to mask wearers on April 14th but their new infections have continued down so they are on course to reopen large stores to mask wearers on May 1st and plan to open restaurants in mid-May. Sweden's new infections have been steady at rates lower than ours per capita for 3 weeks without lockdown. Surely we can do it with only modest restrictions if R was 1.2.

 

Remember 66 who gives a #### what the Germans do our think .

 

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Unfortunatly the biggest tax payers I would think ?.

 

@Thelittlegerman @Offcomedun ive tagged you rather than quoting as felt it would be a mess.
But I do agree with both your thoughts and fears and maybe September is too soon but it’s more realistic than Fordys start now as soon as approach.

I don’t see us getting a vaccine this year or even possibly next year and by then we may be on a new strain who knows? But what I would say is only the premier league can survive with no crowds. No one else could in this country. You’d have to launch an e-ticket system where you could watch online but would people pay the same as a normal match day ticket to do that? I highly doubt it. The shortfall is going to be there if we remain behind closed doors.

 

IF governing bodies truly want our clubs to survive and weather the storm, they need to seriously look at a fairer and more sustainable way of lower league clubs being financially supported through this period.

 

Scientists published a paper a few days ago and there's already 30 different strains of the Virus anyway. Unfortunately the higher the transmission, the more chance of mutations. This is one of the reasons (other than the deaths) that we need to lower the level of transmission, symptomatic or asymptomatic because the higher the numbers get the more chance we have of the virus mutating and us then needing several different vaccines.

The government can do what they want and try and get things back to normal, tell us all it's fine to get things back to by September but they won't be able to cover up a second, or third peak should we all start going to the football and theatre and gigs again!

If people want their teams to survive they'll pay it. If they don't, then maybe those teams aren't viable. The costs involved with streaming the games are probably lower than having the stadium open and crowds in the stands so I'm sure the club could even benefit from a £150 home streamed season ticket. Obviously they miss out on some of the ancillary sales though.

 

I imagine so and they will have to get I follow to agree to any packages I assume if that’s the way they go. Which is a shame because the coverage is very basic for this day and age.
I certainly think players need to worry with contracts. We could see rolling contracts becoming a lot more common especially if we are wary of a new outbreak.

 

We may see a restructure anyway so they will probably get that wish