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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bronco, May 5, 2021.

  1. Bigrod

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    When you get comments like this……“widespread failure” to respond to Covid-19”.

    Boris Johnson believing old people should contract the virus to protect the economy……

    Dallying on whether to impose lockdowns.

    Cummings, gave evidence in respect of “dysfunctional system” which led vulnerable groups to be “appallingly neglected” in March 2020. https://www.ft.com/content/de6c2cd8-e367-4c04-aa85-2803d2c485fc

    These people are appalling and should be relieved of any public office and indeed be prevented from managing people.
     
  3. Bigrod

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    When this is in a Daily Mail article it shows what a totally busted flush a certain political party is!

    • Mr Cummings said it was 'appalling' that the government did not have more focus on shielding vulnerable groups;
    • He said the Cobra emergency committee was designed to respond to 'relatively small' situations such as flooding or terror attack, whereas Covid 'was on the scale of a war';
    • Science adviser Patrick Vallance wrote in his diaries in August 2020 that Mr Johnson was 'obsessed with older people accepting their fate and letting the young get on with life and the economy going'.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12694045/Caprice-Covid-inquiry-Dominic-Cummings-Boris-Johnson-Whitehall-lockdown.html

    I know there may well still be a few fans of ‘trolley boy’ (apparently the name Boris Johnson was known as), but really should this person ever have a position of responsibility again.

    I wouldn’t trust him to look after a garden gnome.
     
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  4. Rogered Tart

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    Of course these people are above the law. All the millions wasted on this and other enquiries. For what exactly? Whats the end game to this? No one ever gets properly prosecuted, nothing ever comes of what amounts to a cover up every single time.
     
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  5. Tony Wilkinson

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    Same with this net zero crap, when the day comes that the lights go out they will just sit and stare and say they didn't know that was gonna happen....
    Government is totally rudderless and out of control .....
     
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    UK politics appears to be currently ruled by middle eastern politics, Labour seem to be falling apart over it as the ghost of Corbyn remains strong in some parts of the party.

    We know the Tories are a joke and it's being laid bare in the covid inquiry and the current state of the country as every weekend the capital bows to the mob as the police have lost control, if they ever had control anyhow.

    So like the election it was the lesser to two evils, the next election looks little better for choice.
     
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  7. Tony Wilkinson

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    That's right......it has to be the Reform party ....
     
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  8. Bronco

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    Different situation but none of the top bankers got time for the sub prime/PPI scandal after the government bail out.
     
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    This is the biggest issue for me. We've got local councils going bust, underfunded schools, the health service and the emergency services. We've got an ever increasing homeless problem, the cost of living spiralling and food banks increasing 10 fold yet still, with all these issues we've had people pushing and pushing for an absolutely meaningless inquiry that will waste millions upon million and achieve absolutely nothing.

    In fact, it'll be the opposite and there'll be very rich people inside the inquiry raking in handsome profits and wages directly from taxpayer funds while the issues listed above continue.
     
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    No one at the top gets done Dave. Johnson should be in a prison cell as should the likes of Cummins the little weasel'. How they all preach to us mere plebs while on their moral high horse makes me sick.
     
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    It's the system mate. Lawyers and spin doctors sponging millions. These people have no idea of the real world out there, folk like Johnson and Corbyn have never done a days graft in their lives but can sit and preach to people like me. When will people wake to what the system really is.
     
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    I can't see myself voting Tory again, having said that with regards certain sections within the Labour party trying to manipulate what Starmer should say or not say with regards the Israel situation is a little worrying.
     
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    They won't, that's probably the sorry truth.

    This isn't a dig at labour supporters either, it's just the best example I have off the top of my head;

    Labour supporters: "All our services are massively underfunded"

    Also Labour supporters: "There must be a huge enquiry into the conservatives handling of covid".

    General folk with common sense: "all that will do is hand millions more of the tax payers money to the same sort of elitest grifters".

    Labour supporters: "Yeah but at least we'll probably get the conservatives out".

    It's true I suppose, at least there'll be a change of power but I suspect, like myself, the vast majority have very little confidence in any politician right now and I'd put my house on a Kier Starmer run government (or any other party for that matter) not really changing anything meaningful. It's just a big game for the political parties and their supporters.
     
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    As in the latest by-elections nobody voted FOR Labour (no coherent policies) and nobody voted FOR the Tories (say the right things but do nothing), they all(I guess) voted against the party they hated most.....
     
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  15. Storck

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    In the most recent by-elections the big decider was that people just didn't vote
     
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    It’s a difficult one, this. On the one hand it is frightening how much the Covid enquiry will end up costing at a time when public services are so massively cash-strapped. On the other hand, in a democracy it is important that governments and senior public servants are held to account for their actions during a national emergency, particularly when there is compelling prima facie evidence of illegality, nepotism, corruption, sloth, incompetence and dereliction of duty. The voting public surely does need to be shown just how utterly disfunctional their elected leaders were before deciding whether to vote them into power again.

    The most important outcome, however, is to ensure that proper planning is in place to enable any future pandemic, or other national emergency to be handled much better than this one was. What this debacle amply demonstrated was that the Tories’ post Thatcherite mantra of ‘public bad, private good’ left us helpless n the face of a situation that couldn’t be handled by market forces alone. There are certain situations in which state planning and control are essential. It is to be hoped that Starmer and Co are already working on the plans and mechanisms (that the Tories neglected, ignored and diminished) required to ensure no future repeat of the sick farce that is being fully revealed in the enquiry.
     
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    When was the last time anyone on the public sector was held accountable? I don't notice any sackings or court cases that have resulted in any appropriate action. Truth is it just gets brushed under the carpet.
    This sums it up, 'lessons will be learned'.
     
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    Sadly, that will apply to me. I just don't see anyone that's even remotely electable at the moment and don't want to bother wasting my time.
     
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    People in the public sector are getting sacked all the time. At any given time there will be hundreds of ongoing disciplinary proceedings, many of which will result in dismissal. You just don’t hear about them, because they are are usually confidential.
    One thing’s certain - many of the messages and behaviours we’ve heard about by ministers and their special advisors in recent days at the enquiry would result in instant suspension and be blatant grounds for gross misconduct dismissal in most public sector settings such as schools, hospitals and local authorities.
     
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    Funny cos most of the dealings I know of within the public sector of people in positions of power didn't lead to sackings for gross misconduct, merely moved to another department in another country or area. I don't personally work in the public sector, I never have been that lucky, but listening to friends of mine who have and their stories of how senior management are literally untouchable paints a sorry picture. And that includes things like the CPS, education and the NHS. I don't think that's exclusive to this country, I hear Italy is even worse but in Rogered Tarts world, people like Boris Johnson, Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell would be breaking rocks in some filthy gulag in the middle of nowhere.
     
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