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  1. Onside

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    What an OTT statement. Their players have injured a couple of our players over the last two seasons. So in my view they can suck it up!
     
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  2. Steve1970

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    Maybe we should WYP for some more they must have thousands in storerooms with the amount of cannabis farms around Bradford
     
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  3. AngryGaz

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    The pitch for me is yet another lame arse excuse this sort of shit has gone on for years now even with a decent playing surface.

    We are fooking mentally weak the end no doubt we will turn up Saturday and no doubt turn up when the seasons all but over.

    Honestly please dont get suckered in by this shit anymore these lot aint worth wasting Saturday afternoons on anymore they simply dont care and the other night proved that no fooking leaders no nothing.
     
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  4. Birky Bantam

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    I think we need to move on from this and forget about it as conversations are going round in circles. We know that there were issues with installation in the summer in terms of timings and a broken sprinkler system. Added to that this will be most likely one of the wettest seasons of all time coinciding with bad timings of games like the Liverpool and Stockport game which seem to have done the damage and once that damage was done there was no reversing it.
    It's also being made out like this is a long term issue when really this season is a one off. Since we've done the big work on the pitch after the 19/20 season the pitch has looked very good even at the end of the season.
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  5. Lard Arse

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  6. BradfordCityBrad

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    I was only asking the question Roger.

    I saw that in the Supporters Board Meeting Minutes that works will be taking place over the summer for the pitch, which got me thinking would be it better if they knew they didn’t have a pre season fixture to have everything completed by.

    If the answer to my question is no then why not simply say that and maybe give some context as to why it wouldn’t be beneficial?
     
  7. king karl

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    It's like an old knackered car

    Do you keep throwing money at it or cut your losses and try get something newer

    I'm talking about the stadium in general... But we can't afford a new car lol
     
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  8. Bigrod

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    There are products out there.

    There seems to be a ‘no can do’ mentality! Which frankly is very surprising.

    A full size football pitch can easily be covered using Matchsaver air roller covers. Each air roller covers 16m x 72m. The inflatable air rollers are used to deploy the covers across the football pitch sideline to sideline. An air blower is used to inflate the rollers. https://matchsaver.com/matchsaver-football-pitch-covers/air-roller-pitch-protection-covers-for-football/#:~:text=A%20full%20size%20football%20pitch,used%20to%20inflate%20the%20rollers.

    You meet up with them, discuss the issues about VP, storage etc.

    Watch this video. Shocking really!
     
  9. Bigrod

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    Nail on the head. @wetherbywhaler@wetherbywhaler has put together a comprehensive post.

    I would say that my old boss would comment, ‘if there is a problem, there will be a solution out there, go and find it and come back to me’!

    A lot of his post I personally agree with. I understand the local climate issues, however there are a number of other clubs operating in or next to the Pennine chain. Actually the Lancashire side tends to have greater rainfall!

    I have never said introduce 3,4,5 G pitches. I also accept the arguments about the turf.

    However the introduction of new and improved covers surely needs to be considered. The evidence clearly demonstrates that the current system is prone to fail.

    There will be a reason the Manchester City covers were no longer of use to them. If they are say over 10 years old, then wear and tear, plus technology has moved on.

    The ‘do nothing’, it can’t be fixed approach is not acceptable. Wouldn’t last two minutes on a certain well known TV programme!
     
  10. SteveC

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    Each to their own mate, but there’s no way I’d part with a single penny more than I need to, in order to watch the sub standard shite we’ve had to endure for the past 6 years. Especially when we have an owner said to be worth over £100m, and a super successful CEO who not only keeps us self sustainable, but brings in enough sponsorship and marketing deals to make us a modest profit

    Not a chance in hell. Any spare cash I have is far too hard earned to donate to this particular cause
     
  11. Stafford Bantam

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    It would be in my interest to contribute as well, considering how much I've spent on wasted trips this season alone.
     
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  12. Botswana Bantam

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    I agree with this.

    I like the original post from @Bigrod@Bigrod and thank you to @wetherbywhaler@wetherbywhaler for his explanation.

    I'm interested in the science behind it as much as anything and I think, like @Stafford Bantam@Stafford Bantam that different solutions are needed at different times and I feel what is lacking is some kind of cover that prevents heavy rain, day after day from getting to the pitch surface. It would need drainage to get the water out of the ground. There's times that we need rain covers, some times we need the covers we saw yesterday and some times nothing.

    I suspect they'll be expensive, clearly, but to the point @wetherbywhaler@wetherbywhaler makes - if Bradford is one of the wetest areas in the country then the pitch protection and covers needs a different solution to 95% of the rest of the country and that might unfortunately mean that it requires more/different investment as compared to Sutton or Blackpool or whoever where the climate is different. We can't say "oh it's the climate" and then just do the same as everyone else because then we'll definitely not solve the unique problems of our location.
     
  13. Dennis

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    That's a good explanation for why our pitch has had problems recently. The only thing which you haven't mentioned was the fundamental issue which STRI identified in their survey about 10 years ago. That was the underlying base several metres below the playing surface which acted as some kind of impermeable layer. I recall this particular issue being of concern to ML at the time. Short of digging up the pitch and excavating down by several meters, nobody understands what is down there as a legacy from VP's former life before it become a sports pitch in the late 1800's! It's rumoured that it comprises leftovers from a local quarry, detritus from when the railway network which was being developed and probably lots of other things.

    All in all, it's bound together to form an impermeable layer, well according to real experts at the STRI! But nobody knows for sure what's there, how much is there or how thick it is. Amongst other things STRI suggested doing some kind of geophys survey to at least understand the scale of the problem but the cost of doing it was prohibitive according to ML at the time.

    Lots of work has been done on the top surface over recent years including reseeding it several times, installing fibrasand to stabilise the grass surface, installing better drainage for the pitch surface and remedying some of the drainage problems created by the concrete foundations of the the current stands. But the fundamantal issues of the foundations of the pitch remain unresolved and when the ground is saturated, the water deep below the current surface level drainage has nowhere to go. Protective covers might help to some degree with avoiding the ground freezing or keeping some rain off of the pitch surface but even then, the rain has to go somewhere. Covers cannot deal with the fundamental problem. There isn't a viable long term surface solution which can overcome the problems deep below the pitch surface.
     
  14. trevor

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    We have two drainage systems under the pitch, One is a deep system installed in the Premier league and drains in to the Midland road public drainage via channels under the midland road stand, The second is a top system where drainage channels are dug approx 1 metre deep at intervals across the pitch filled with drainage infill. This was done in 2018 with an assurance that if looked after then the pitch would not waterlog. Of course one of the problems with the pitch is in the past it was higher in the middle than the edges witch aided natura drainage off the pitch but nowadays the pitch is Korrowed each season which has levelled the playing surface which is good for football but not for drainage,
    If we are to continue as a professional club and remain at VP then the best but not cheapest solution is to install a Desso Grandmaster pitch as Leeds and Hudders and most Premier League club have done to ensure the best surface [possible
     
  15. Rogered Tart

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    Yep, no new stadium is ever getting built in this city, there is simply no money available and no private investment is ever seen in this city.
     
  16. Stafford Bantam

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    This map, from 1852, shows that, at that time, quarrying was taking place all around the site.
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    Very good points. There have been occasions in the past couple of seasons when we have had continuous rain and my lawn has been under water and not only has the game been on but he pitch looked immaculate. Stockport game aside, something has been done that shouldn't have. Yes frost (and even the covers) will kill off the grass but those drains that were installed looked very good on the video the club put out. I don't think the fibre sand that we use helps but the pitch looks like it has been rolled to be honest, which will have compacted the sand and soil, it doesn't matter how good the drains are, if the rain water can't get down to those drains it's irrelevant. As a side note I have heard that the Grossman wasn't in favour of using fibre sand.
     
  18. Birky Bantam

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    From Facebook, the pitch is looking a lot dryer than 48 hours ago and should be fine for tomorrow.
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  19. Bigrod

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    I think the condition of the pitch was pretty good until the frost and heavy rains got to it. If it had been adequately protected, keeping the turf from freezing and reduce the level of rain water on the or near the surface it may have held up.
     
  20. Loyalbantam

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    Yet, rewind back to December when it was clear the pitch wouldn’t withstand heavy rainfall and the Salford game was postponed, there were fans on here defending it saying we can’t help the rain.
    No we can’t, but it rains everywhere else too in the UK.
    We won’t attract good footballers in the summer if they know what the pitch will be like through the winter.
    We need to know what the club intends to do about it?
     
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