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Salford City, The State of Football & Financial Fair Play

Discussion in 'General Football' started by DazW, May 31, 2019.

  1. Doodle

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    Sadly, I can't see it happening though... too bold with the ever present threat of a breakaway league hanging over everything
     
  2. Interested Bystander

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    Personally, I'd like half to go to tier 3 & 4 clubs and half further down the pyramid. The money would be ring fenced and only used for Academies giving everyone the chance to develop their own.
     
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  3. Damo

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    You cant have a franchise system, where new clubs cannot join. How can a club like Salford join the big leagues if they cannot spend? Its very dangerous when they are solely reliant though on investment. Could argue that its even worse in Spain where the TV money is heavily slanted towards Real Madrid and Barcelona. Not only do they have the best teams they start the 100m's race with a 20m headstart
     
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    The FFP rule is a joke and should be abolished, The fairest way is to rely on the free market which will self regulate itself in the long run without some overpaid quango trying to force it in to silly false decisions, More jobs for the boys with all the toys thrown in than in the interest of Football and the fans.
     
  5. Ricc

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    the faux outrage about Salford spending money, and FFP and all that is just plain stupid.

    I guarantee you the same people wouldn't be bothered about clubs going bust or the game being weighted towards the top clubs if the class of 92 and Peter Lim had bought us and were paying 8k a week for Championship players.

    infact, I don't recall anyone moaning about this when we did exactly that last summer on Sean Scannell.


    if you don't like the money in football, stop watching it, go down the park and watch The dog and duck vs the rovers return and leave professional football to those of us that enjoy it and don't pretend to be outraged about other clubs having financial difficulties while Salford show ambition and financial might we can only dream of having.
    fair play to Salford and any other clubs lucky enough to have wealthy owners, or owners not particularly rich but willing to speculate to accumulate and take calculated risks such as Peterborough.
     
  6. Ricc

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    not sure it is, people just want it to do something it was never designed to do.
    it was never designed to stop clubs paying silly money for players - they can still do that aslong as the owner is gifting the club the money.
     
  7. Dennis

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    I agree with most of what you say but so far as 'gifting' is concerned, you're very much mistaken when it relates to the top players; there are specific rules dealing with it. In the form of FFP used in the Championship, the PL and the Champions League, owners cannot simply gift their clubs money. Any such gifts are excluded by the EFL, PL etc in calculating whether a club has breached the FFP rules. If it were that simple, Man C would not have gone through the extensive and very complex ownership structure of the club and their players which they employ and which most regard as a means of circumventing the FFP rules. Instead, the Mansour's would have just given their club huge pots of money and that's not what they've done.
     
  8. trevor

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    That is the point of my post, The big clubs spend so much time hiding and cheating to stay within the rules making the running and accounts of the club as obscure as possible, Far better to leave it to the market to decide investment,
    What is of more value is the fair distribution of TV income with the authorities enforcing a fairer deal for lower divisions giving much more fairer chance of competing rather than the FFP which does nothing but encourage expensive lawyers and accountants to get round it
     
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  9. Interested Bystander

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    Surely it's the market that determines the value of TV income, and if the market is for PL then they should get all the money.
     
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    I largely agree with this. the big money TV deal is for the premier league. why should those clubs have to share with Bradford City and Macclesfied Town?
     
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    I’m sure there would be complaints in new owners came and changed the colours from claret and amber to White yellow and blue
     
  12. trevor

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    The Premier league would lose some of its attraction without the pyramid below it, Without the body of the football league then the head would eventually die. Despite the vast amount of money that is paid to the Premier league the viewing figures for the lower divisions are booming and it may well be that they negotiate a separate deal when up for renewal, If the Premier league continue to keep the lions share of the money they may find the lower divisions taking a lot more in a separate deal.
     
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    That's how the market works surely
     
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    It is ridiculous to say that the PL should have all the tv money; the TV companies make money out of all football fans not just PL fans. I am just as likely to watch EFL matches as I am the PL which normally bores the pants off me! Like @trevor@trevor says we should be much more proactive in our negotiations with the tv companies, rather than waiting for the crumbs to drop off the table.
     
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    This is not not true, it was, but hasn't been for 3 years, hence the rise (again) of Seville, Valencia, Betis etc. RM & Barca used to get nearly 40% of all TV money split between them but now after the collective agreement that has dropped to nearly 20%.

    They now actually get more money than before, but considering their players wage demands and club running costs the gap between the big 2 and rest has closed considerably.
     
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    I do think the EFL should look to split from the PL or at least threaten to............
     
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    Cheers for the info. I stand corrected
     
  18. SimonW

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    If they follow how they have been doing it though they aren’t going to be bringing in players of this level though. They have generally gone in with a fairly small squad (which is fine as long as you don’t have injury issues) that contains one or two luxury players who are better than the level they are at but with the rest being more solid players for that level. You can certainly look at signings like this and jump to a conclusion they are just throwing money at it but overall their spending isn’t really excessive
     
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    Yes and they will be well within it. As I said to How Salford’s way of doing it is to have one or two players who are much better than the league who are on good money but to save money by having a streamline squad and the rest of the squad basically being good players for that level. The idea being the rest of the squad provides a solid base and those couple of higher paid players adding that extra bit of class to make a difference that wins games
     
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  20. How

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    Wages were big for conference and will still be in league two. Richie Towell, Danny Lloyd and Adam Rooney are on 20k a week between them.

    I think their spending will go up if anything
     

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