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  1. Hoochy-Min

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    I always got some long streak of piss standing in front of me. Saw *@?$ all.
     
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    Fundamentally it is not illegal to stand in a football ground, the law states that every spectator must have a seat, not that they must sit in it. It is however against ground regulations.
    In theory a club can introduce an area where spectators are not required to sit, this would require a change in the ground regulations though.
     
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    the point of them being selfish arseholes is that they most likely wont
     
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    I'd back safe standing areas tbh. Though looking at the anfield kop last night, they already have it.
     
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    Not for me certainly not the lower Kop. If it was to happen a small area like the lower Dallas stand might suit
     
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  6. Stafford

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    I have no problem with safe standing as long as it is not in football stadiums :)
     
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    If it was in the kop it would probably have to be top tier. M block as that is a smallish area anyway and wouldn't impinge anybody's view who was seated.
     
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  8. Bigrod

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    I was just trying gauge how this could impact on you. I guess if you are over 5’10” then you would probably not be affected by the introduction of standing at VP, if however you are below that height and you have someone over 6’0” then you will struggle to see.

    It is the ability to empathise with those who would struggle to see that is important. I remember before VP became an all seater, that as a kid, I struggled to see.
     
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    I wouldn't give them a toilet personally, you're too soft.
     
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    River of piss down the terraces. Ah the good old days....
     
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    I went to a Bundesliga 2 game (St Pauli vs Kaiserslauten) a couple of seasons ago. I think it was just standard terracing rather than safe standing. I agree that the stewarding wasn't as strict as over here. The atmosphere was generally good natured and more carnival like. I think the football culture in Germany is healthier and hasn't become sanitised or lost touch with its working class routes. There is less snobbery.
    The sight of all the waving flags is a sight to behold, the way the whole terrace seems to move and sing in unison. Nothing comes close in England with the possible exception of the anfield Kop. But, strangely, the atmosphere was less 'edgy' than in English grounds. It reminded me of going to Bulls back in the day, just bigger and better and less cheesy. Non of the aggro you associate with football.
    I too was surprised at the openly available beer being consumed, but never really felt under threat.
     
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    Indeed. I doubt that Rahic and Rupp would pay for it themselves. It would probably come out of the playing budget like the pitch will
     
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    Cross that bridge when we come to it. Shrewsbury used crowd funding. Maybe ze Germans could get a German company to sponser it?
     
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    I think the ratio of 'active' fans to 'passive' fans has a greater effect on atmosphere than fan density. I've been in 70k capacity crowds where you could here a pin drop.
    Our last 3 home games have yielded barely half capacity crowds, yet the the noise has been the loudest i've heard in a while, particularily vs Pompey.
    Safe standing areas would encourage greater concentrations of 'active' fans and encourage more sustained singing/ chanting as well as reducing friction/ conflict with 'passive' seated fans.
     
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    Cost?
     
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    jpaul81 - I agree but think you might not get the end result you want. You could end up with a load singing their hearts out somewhere down by the pitch where acoustics are crap (and regulations as I understand them mean they are actually spaced out more than when they were sitting) and then get nothing happening behind them or anywhere else. Atmosphere killed. It might feel better where the singers are but the players would not get the same lift if the rest of the ground is quiet and an overall worse atmosphere could lead to lower ticket sales and playing budget. In some other grounds with a worse current set-up, new safe standing arrangements might give a better atmosphere. In other grounds, it might be worse. It's currently pretty good at Bradford and atmosphere has been complimented by away fans. I don't think our atmosphere is broken so I'd be wary about trying to fix it. The TL Dallas "fix" a few years back made it worse and was reversed. It might be a success if you got safe standing in K-block but I don't think they'll let you have it up there. I suspect safe standing elsewhere might give a worse result. Be careful what you wish for.
     
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    Safe standing has nothing to do with “ripping” seats out. They just put rails in front of them. It would work in the lower kop
     
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  19. Storck

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    Not at the same match. The seats are either locked in an upright position, in which case they are sold as standing or unlocked in which case they are sold as seating. This usually depends on the rules of the competition, eg Bundesleague they are locked up so standing can happen, in Champions League they are allocated as seating
     
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    Not at the same match. They are one or the other
     
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