Sack the manager

I'm not convinced that Doyle would have performed for us, even if the best version of Pepklopp had been in charge

We need to accept that some times people become psychologically scarred by work related incidents. We have no idea what went on last season, but clearly, particularly when Vaughan and Donaldson was bought - he wanted away from us and had no intention of coming back.

I have a tad of sympathy for him - he's not a DVD film, simply to be shifted from club to club for viewing

I can't really blame Bowyer for this - shows how out of it Rhodes and Rupp were

 

Personally, I have no sympathy for Bowyer over Doyle. I struggle with the idea that any manager of a side who struggles for attacking quality, would be reluctant to be handed the most in form and prolific striker in Europe for anything other than selfish reasons. I said at the time that it was a huge risk because it could expose, very starkly, how poor Bowyer is as a coach. I think that's exactly what's happened. I think it's an even bigger factor than our recent results as to why hes come under so much more pressure of late.

 

Trying to find the positives in all this and I really can't. My fear is that we will scrape a couple of results maybe a 1-0 or a "plucky" 1-1 draw away and we'll be back to square one. Those defending him will point to our league position, but its not good enough.

Its not just the insipid performances, its the lack of any sign that we want to attack teams. I don't even think that you can always blame the team for lack of effort either. This can only point to one problem and that's our coaching staff. I've been in the Bowyer defence for a while now - but I've finally seen the light!

We've had to sit through a lot of horrible stuff in the past, for me the Docherty period really was bad. But even that guy had a plan and a way to attack teams, even he knew the basic principle was to get the ball between the sticks. I really cant understand what the hell is going on.

In the 8 games since the turn of the year we've had 12 shots on target. Bottom team Stevenage have had 37 shots on target in as a many games. I know other such stats have been discussed in this thread - but for me this just about sums it up. We fared a bit better in the early part of the season, but even then its hard to find more than 4 shots on target.

I'm sorry, but Bowyer has got to go. He seems a nice enough guy, but if he cant see where the problems are, its time to move on. Maybe the new signings will have an impact, but I cant see it.

 

I'd agree with you, if it wasn't so obvious that Doyle didn't want to come back and wasn't remotely interested in it working

Let's take the Scunny match, where Doyle had a good match and was oh so achingly close to scoring a very good goal (christ, we'd had been 3-0 and I think then would have won - given Scunthorpe's own issues). Even after that match he was asking to leave. Surely, start moaning after the next match the Mansfield match - not every other day for 20 days

 

I don’t think anyone is now defending him and league position is no longer being used to try and defend the style of football.

The discussion now appears to be around will they/won’t they fire him and the monthly circle jerk of wanting McCall to come back,

 

At any other football club he’d have been sacked after Oldham.

Rupp hasn’t a clue what to do as football isn’t his sport so it all boils down to our temporary CEO, Julian, who will already be embarrassed about the uptake on the new ST launch and doesn’t want to make that call to get Bowyer fired.

Fans have had enough. Bowyer out.

 

He didn't want to be here and I dont blame him. But I have no complaints about his application during the 4 games he came back 4. The effort was there.

 

As a comparison, at least Hopkin had the decency to walk after a return of 12 points from his last 10 games. Bowyer has 11 points from his last 10 games and is still hanging around like a bad smell.

 

The old adage goals changes matches and wins change everything could apply though

Let's say we get two home wins. Not an impossible scenario. Winning away at Cambridge wouldn't then be such a shock. Suddenly, 9 points have been won, which would not only put is in the play-offs would have closed the gap to the top 3 (because Plymouth play Crewe during that spell)

Yes, let's say the footie's still horrible - but sorry it's where we end up and if we're suddenly back in, say, 5th he probably becomes unsackable for the rest of the season. Don't think that teams haven't gone up playing terrible football. Ask the Wycombe fans who beat us in the 2008/9 promotion race about watching their team under Peter Taylor. It is possible to go up with no enthusiasm for the product. Once in L1, when we've got 2 points from the first 5 matches - off he goes

Now I admit, I'm putting no money on this happening, but you have to remember that recently nearby Halifax were having a terrible time, got a scrappy result and improved. Likewise, Rotherham did this when in 17/18 - whilst we were free-falling they were improving after a terrible start. Around October, i.e. 10 15 games in, Warne waswas always one or two matches from been sacked, having relegated them the previous season. And the footie was rubbish. I know this, because I have a few customers who are Millers fans

Anything is possible, but I am far less confident of Bowyer turning this around, than I was even a week ago

 

Then it's very difficult to see how you could blame any of the players during this spell. I'm quite empathetic to them right now, I think Bowyers tactics have been the problem, but is Doyle failing to control the ball against Scunthorpe and hence letting a great chance go, any different to the mix up for the first goal conceded on Saturday?

I like the way Doyle now apparently gets off scott free. There is no way you can be asking to leave every other day and then play at your absolute best. He simply will not have felt as relaxed, hence the mis-controled chance against Scunthorpe and I'm sure someone said he had a good chance against Crawley - he's gobbling these up for Swindon

I don't blame Doyle. No person can be forced to like something

 

This is where Bowyer was actually let down. Imagine being put in a position where you have to play a player who doesn't fit your club and is waiting to bang on your door every day wanting to leave. That said Doyle isn't the problem here, Bowyers insistence on playing football that has killed his team is. 30 games and yet no formation and a pathetic January sum us up at the moment.

 

Agreed 23rd currently. Go back 10 games we are in 18th place for form. With just 8 goals scored from 10 games.
Go back 15 games, we are just 15th in the form table.
Currently over a long spell we are a bottom half side and it’s getting worse

 

Totally agree.

But it is worrying that our senior management didn't see what would happen when he came back. It wasn't even 20/20 vision from us

Some of us on here, who know about managing lads in the 20's and 30's knew it was unlikely to end well

 

Don’t blame him one bit tbf. He’s got 18 months on his contract, probably looking at around £70k if he gets sacked. He’s human who’s going to pass on that? It’s the boards responsibility to get rid, it’s how football works tough.

Hopkin is a totally different situation. He was a top end footballer who played in the Premier League for the likes of Leeds, Chelsea and even us when we were throwing silly money around and owns part of a team in Scotland. Bowyer barely had a career, their situations are chalk and cheese.

 

Well I eat my words and admit that on a managerial front a change and fresh face is vitally needed. We have a decent squad that should be pushing for promotion.

Its baffeling clubs like Accrington or Wycombe manage in a higher league with less resources. How can.clubs of their size and with low crowds exist in a league above. A city the size of Bradford should have a Championship club at least. Why are we pottling about in the lowest league.

I always will have belief and adore this club. Whilst continuing to help the club get back to were we should be. Gutted atm is a
understatement.

Many of us are CTID. Next season I will be there. I am committed and determind to help City voluntarily to my best capabilities.

Lets get the ball rolling and save our season.

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Nice bit of self publicising there

 

Arsenal not doing too well then Nick?

 

We don't handle things behind the scenes that we'll at times and this was one of them. The long and short term vision of this club is more important than any one manager. Sacking Bowyer would make no difference to this.

 

I dont really blame the players. Other than a couple of mistakes - which happen - I think our problems are entirely down to poor coaching, tactics and selection. And recruitment. And the ensuing drop in confidence that disjointed and ineffective performances bring. It's why I want Bowyer out. I think a good coach would quickly make us a much better outfit.

 

You've changed your tune. Mr positive has disappeared eh?