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Most liked posts in thread: Riley, Jones and Wright told to look for new clubs

  1. pns1945

    pns1945 Impact Sub

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    We can't afford to carry any superfluous bodies and anyway this is purely the result of DH's assessment.
     
  2. bantam blue

    bantam blue Emergency Backup

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    hope all three are gone quick . jones will end up at port vale other two are that poor they might end up in none league but god help any team wright pitches up at worst player in a city shirt for many a moon !!
     
  3. donhutchinsaffro

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    Well I would say we have a totally shot player devoid of any confidence. He may turn out to be great but i think he needs to move on and get is mojo back.
     
  4. SimonW

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    Even if its the full 100% you are still looking at needing about a £700k donation to add £10k to the budget. Does any businessman just have £700k they can give away with no chance of return? Hell no. His money will largely be tied up in investments and cashing those in which no doubt make a good return is asking alot and then leaves the club in a potentially difficult situation the year after that needs another cash donation. Thats the kind of actions that see clubs get into that endless spiral that bankrupts them. You can just about operate at the 60% of turnover level but above that it gets ropey unless you have an arab multi-billionaire as an owner
     
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  5. Thelittlegerman

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    Such a shame we couldn't have been the environment to allow him flourish and make the change from the U23s to League One. Based on the comments i've read, he had a good work ethic, attitude and drive. So frustrating that we've managed to train all that out of him...
     
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  6. Faithful Bantam

    Faithful Bantam Squad Player

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    Exactly. Look at how the U23 teams fare in the Checkatrade. Football at that level is a world away from first team, professional football.
     
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  7. SimonW

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    I mentioned it over on the bringing back the u23's thread. The problem is at PL level atleast the 'reserve' setup has become unfit for purpose with the attempt to make it better for young players. Limiting senior players to 3 outfield and a keeper means most clubs only bother putting senior players into the u23 matches if coming back from a long-term injury. This means the young players are only ever playing against players their own age and that's a problem. Skill is only part of what makes a good player, there is a mental and physical side that needs to be developed and that comes from playing against players who have already developed those parts of their game. As I said on that thread Pogba is a good example, he bossed the u18's as he was not just talented but physically dominated everyone. When he graduated from the u18's the next level was still a reserve league back then and he struggled for the first half of the season, he was being bullied by smaller players than him who knew how to use what physicality they had effectively and to use his against him, he got better as the season went on as he was playing against experienced players but he needed another year at that level to be ready for first team matches but he had already been talked into leaving.

    So with Riley he had been playing against his own age group. he hadn't had to develop certain qualities and suddenly finds himself in league 1 coming against seasoned pros. Then it wasn't helped by playing for a coach with no clue in a team where confidence quickly drained from them. So not only does he need time to adjust and gain the mental and physical side to go with his talent but he also needs a confidence boost to help him. If anything he needed to be joining now not in the summer where his confidence hadn't taken a beating and then slowly integrated into a team playing with confidence to help him develop as he is a player who talent wise is way better than league one
     
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  8. NorthernMonkey

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    I'd heard slightly more but it's in the same ballpark.
     
  9. donhutchinsaffro

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    To be fair Simon early doors we could have made Pele look bab & fat and unfit.........
     
  10. marshy77

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    Pele would have got a game under Collins.
     
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  11. Pomfretbantam

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    I would argue that if O'Brien had the same amount of talent as Riley, then he would have been snapped up by a bigger premier league team.
    So on the basis that he is at least of a similar level ability wise, why has he not looked at what O'Brien does in terms of energy, running, closing players down and reading of the game. Then thought I can do that and gone and shown it.
    Maybe he lacks the drive and ambition which seems unlikely considering where he has come from, you would expect a player trying to make it at Man Utd to have those strengths in depth.
     
  12. wetherbywhaler

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    Did Ben Muirhead and Graeme Tomlinson to name just two?
     
  13. Pomfretbantam

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    Tomlinson went from us to Man Utd which I'm sure you already know, then suffered a very bad injury, who knows what might have happened otherwise.
    Ben Muirhead I would prefer to hold my counsel on him, wasted talent.
     
  14. donhutchinsaffro

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    I would have liked to have seen the reverse. McBurnie got rave reviews at a youth tournament for Man U (We lent him) Would have been interesting watching is development there? To be fair Swansea have done pretty good with him.
     
  15. wetherbywhaler

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    Sorry, thought Tomlinson came back to us, my error.
     
  16. How

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    Riley must be one of the ones not working hard enough in training to earn their chance?

    He can’t be judged on appearances as he hasn’t made any.

    Certain Hopkin alluded to something like that recently in an interview that players were not fit enough were not in the squad.

    Plus 3 right backs we have at the club? One of them being our best performer over the last few weeks for consistency since he came in, in Caddis
     
  17. Rogered Tart

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    What is raw talent and how do we attribute this ‘talent’ to football? A fair assessment of Riley would have been after a period of time under Hopkin but that now looks a non starter. Could be for various reasons, it could be Hopkin doesn’t have a role that fits his skill set, could be Hopkin might want to put Rileys salary to use elsewhere in the squad it has been mentioned Riley is on a decent salary for what would be a development squad player.

    But from what i’ve seen so far he suffers from what a lot of academy players suffer from, competent at passing and a decent level of fitness but ultimately no real position on the field. Looks weak for a full back and limited as a right sided midfielder. Good luck to him.
     
  18. Tennesseebantam

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    Definitely think Riley would benefit from a loan out (Mansfield?) and check his progress. Either that or get Sheff Utd to take over his contract (with a sell on). My thinking there is that Wilder seemed to like him last time he was there.
     
  19. Bigrod

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    So ‘how do you understand this”? Reasonable question.
     
  20. JimmyBantam

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    They are only better if they have the right attitude and perform to their ability.
     
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