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Not always true though. You can be too close to an issue that it skews your view point. Just look at the US when a cop shoots a black person and the way the black community can get blinkered in their blame of police that they ignore things that person might have done to result in the shooting happening or for example the environmental factors stemming from their community which increases the risk. You will generally be able to draw a much better conclusion to an issue listening to a wide variety of people across all social, racial, cultural, religious, gender etc lines than you will if you only listen to one set of people

 

Are you seriously so deluded that you think cops are just shooting people for fun who are just sitting there minding their business?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

This might be of interest to you. If you set the filter for 2016 to killed by gunshot and who had a weapon you will see



818 of 1093 deaths were people who were armed. If you click on some of the images you get details of the situation and guess what MOST WERE COMMITTING A CRIME either which was violent in the first place or when the police turned up they started acting violently. 818 BTW is 74%

For the record filter by race and you get



That's 50% of all police shootings that resulted in the death of the perp where the perp was armed were white

On the other hand



That's 23%. And yes that's a higher percentage than they make up in the percentage of the population but its also about the same difference as the violent crime figures for them

Seriously why are you being such a dick? At no point did I 'Blame blacks for crime'. If rather than trying to prove how woke you are you had read my follow up post you would see if anything I'm blaming the social-economic situation that you find in poorer areas for it. I provided you with a link to an article about the study that was done in relation to racial bias when it came to death by cop. As found having black cops didn't reduce death by cop, in fact a black cop was more likely to kill a black perp, a white cop a white perp, a Hispanic cop a Hispanic perp because of they are most likely to be stationed in the area they are from, so if there is a poor black neighbourhood many of the cops, especially those recruited to make it more diverse in an attempt to increase trust in the police will be Black.

That study can be read at https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877 or as you don't like reading and the study is fairly long and complex you can read a summary on the Michigan State University site https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2019/the-truth-behind-racial-disparities-in-fatal-police-shootings/

And poor areas everywhere have higher levels of crime, especially violent crime because these communities become poverty traps that people struggle to break out of. And because of that gang life becomes appealing. Gangs ultimately lead to violence which in the US makes getting fatally shot by police more likely because you are in a gang doing gang-related criminal activities. But for much of the same reason being murdered by gun is also much higher for Black people



48% of all murders with a firearm are black people (51% white but that data counts Hispanics as white)

And that's the point I was making. It's easy to take a few high profile shootings of unarmed Black people by white cops and declare police forces as having major race issues but white cops shoot more white people than black and Black people are more likely to be shot by a Black cop because of the area they are likely to be assigned. And poverty makes these areas more likely for cops to be called to crimes where the likelihood of needing their weapon is much higher. It's the location and the crimes that happen more often in those areas that largely dictate how likely you are to die from a police shooting, not skin colour. If we had a mirror image of the US this discussion would be about Black cops killing white people because the poor areas and the crime and gangs that spring up in poor areas would be being done by the poor white people while the rich black people would be in their better-off areas carrying our rich people's blue-collar crimes

And yes as I said in my other reply the police could help matters. 21 weeks to get a badge and a gun followed by 6 months of having to ride with a training officer isn't enough. In the UK it takes about 2 years of training to be accepted into the force and if you then want to join an armed response unit you need 2 years or more being on the beat, then be selected as suitable (which examinations to make sure you are physically and mentally fit for the job). Then you are allowed to undertake a 2-week course which if you pass leads to a 7-week course and then an 18-week course. So we spend more time just training cops to use weapons than the US cops get learning everything including firearm training. But just labelling all cops as racists who will shoot a black person at the first chance is ignoring the fact its a more complex issue that needs the police, the community, the schools, the parents, the government etc all doing things to reduce the impact of all the factors that play a part in the statistics

 

Seeing as you are so insistent on proof (even though you ignore it when given) then prove it that cops are basically fabricating reports (For the record most US police forces now require the use of bodycams). To suggest that a significant number of reports are fabricated is ridiculous and is insulting to the majority of the police who do the job to contribute to society by keeping people safe. This is a job after all that in the US over 100 every year get killed in the line of duty and doesn't pay all that well.

I'm not the one screaming 'All cops are racist, Black people are angels who never do anything wrong and are being shot simply for being black' which is the narrative that the likes of BLM like pushing. From my first post, I simply said its a much more complex situation than racism no matter how the Black community likes to at times simplify things. The thing is though it's not just poverty and that's why you can't just ignore race. Stats are different from people in the same area and from the same economic background based on race.

For example, attitude towards education is another factor. If you look at high school graduation rates its

Race	Graduation %
White	84.8333333
Black	71.1875
Hispanic	67.9166667
Asian	86.6382979
Total	79.7916667

That's a cultural thing, Asian culture puts much more focus on education than Black culture does. That means Asian kids see a way out and are less likely to get dragged into crime and gang culture or end up getting stuck in the poverty cycle as they graduate and are more likely to head off to college. Black kids graduation rates are improving (Same with Hispanic) but it's still lagging behind and certainly impacts factors that play a part in death by cop figures.

And there are other such factors that cause differences down racial lines even in the same poverty groupings

Again its why it's a complex situation which you can't just put the blame on one thing and there isn't just one quick-fire solution. And its why its often talked about down racial lines because its the easiest way to group all the factors together for statistical purposes