Racist Bulgarian Fans

Seeing as you are so insistent on proof (even though you ignore it when given) then prove it that cops are basically fabricating reports (For the record most US police forces now require the use of bodycams). To suggest that a significant number of reports are fabricated is ridiculous and is insulting to the majority of the police who do the job to contribute to society by keeping people safe. This is a job after all that in the US over 100 every year get killed in the line of duty and doesn't pay all that well.

I'm not the one screaming 'All cops are racist, Black people are angels who never do anything wrong and are being shot simply for being black' which is the narrative that the likes of BLM like pushing. From my first post, I simply said its a much more complex situation than racism no matter how the Black community likes to at times simplify things. The thing is though it's not just poverty and that's why you can't just ignore race. Stats are different from people in the same area and from the same economic background based on race.

For example, attitude towards education is another factor. If you look at high school graduation rates its

Race	Graduation %
White	84.8333333
Black	71.1875
Hispanic	67.9166667
Asian	86.6382979
Total	79.7916667

That's a cultural thing, Asian culture puts much more focus on education than Black culture does. That means Asian kids see a way out and are less likely to get dragged into crime and gang culture or end up getting stuck in the poverty cycle as they graduate and are more likely to head off to college. Black kids graduation rates are improving (Same with Hispanic) but it's still lagging behind and certainly impacts factors that play a part in death by cop figures.

And there are other such factors that cause differences down racial lines even in the same poverty groupings

Again its why it's a complex situation which you can't just put the blame on one thing and there isn't just one quick-fire solution. And its why its often talked about down racial lines because its the easiest way to group all the factors together for statistical purposes

 

First of all, there is a difference between suggesting and fact. Black kids drop out of high school at a slightly higher rate than Hispanics and at a significantly greater rate White and Asians. That's a fact and the same with violent crime figures.

And Asians disprove the poverty and oppression as being major root causes though. They are a minority group who traditional have lived in poverty but as a race are much more upwardly mobile, commit significantly less violent crime and less likely to have gang affiliation. If you were right then black, Asian and Hispanics would see the stats for all these things would all be in the same kind of ballpark when there are significant differences.

You are just doing what keeps being done and that's to try and boil complex situations down to throw away sound bites that put all the blame onto others when the reality is blame for pretty much any complex situation is a shared thing including those at the centre of the issue. There are external elements that can be improved to bring the number of black people killed by cops such as improved police training, better internal oversight to weed out the bad apples, the government doing better on gun control and the likes but there are also lots of internal elements which need to be owned and worked on as well otherwise you are putting up roadblocks. Better police simply doesn't solve things on its own

 

Please be respectful of other posters points of view and avoid personal insults.

 

You really don't think that the post in question didn't contain personal insults? Well, we shall just have to agree to disagree then.

 

I can assure you I have not got upset by anything. I am more than happy to see a good debate; however, I will, when I feel it is necessary, apply the forum etiquette.

 

Please feel free to report any such posts.

 

He is referring to post #89. I didn't actually call him a dick, I asked him why he was being such a dick with his replies which is a subtle difference. It's after another one of his times where he twist what I have posted and calls me a racist using some cliched buzzwords so he can throw insults rather than actually having a debate. If you want to edit that line go-ahead though (Don't delete the whole post though. I spent more time than I really should have to research and write the post)

I welcome a debate with him, I wouldn't have put so much effort into my replies otherwise but I'm really getting to the point where I'm not sure he actually wants a debate.

 

He hasn't. I was getting to the point where I was going to go and bang my head against a wall instead as It would be more constructive. If Hoochy-Min actually wants a proper adult debate on the complex subject I'm more to continue, however, so the posts being deleted hasn't stopped anything other than it turning it a full-on slanging match