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  1. Hoochy-Min

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    The FA rep who was interviewed on ITV made specific references to Hartlepool and Congleton and other incidents week in week out in our own pyramid. I thought he came across really well only to see him slated on social media.
     
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  2. Idlebantam

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    Have I heard correctly today that England are being charged for our fans disrupting the Bulgarian national anthem?
     
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    Please avoid personal insults when debating this or any other issue.
     
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  4. Hulmebantam

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    Utter shite racism. Again from you.
     
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  5. Rogered Tart

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    Interesting thread. You can try all the sanctions going but you will not stop racism. It's part of human nature, the divide and conquer scenario. Where we have a world defined by boundaries and division racism will exist.
     
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  6. Hoochy-Min

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    You need to stop looking at colour or race. It's disingenuous. Simply put all of those people into the same set of figures and see that the biggest factor is poverty.
     
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  7. SimonW

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    First of all, there is a difference between suggesting and fact. Black kids drop out of high school at a slightly higher rate than Hispanics and at a significantly greater rate White and Asians. That's a fact and the same with violent crime figures.

    And Asians disprove the poverty and oppression as being major root causes though. They are a minority group who traditional have lived in poverty but as a race are much more upwardly mobile, commit significantly less violent crime and less likely to have gang affiliation. If you were right then black, Asian and Hispanics would see the stats for all these things would all be in the same kind of ballpark when there are significant differences.

    You are just doing what keeps being done and that's to try and boil complex situations down to throw away sound bites that put all the blame onto others when the reality is blame for pretty much any complex situation is a shared thing including those at the centre of the issue. There are external elements that can be improved to bring the number of black people killed by cops such as improved police training, better internal oversight to weed out the bad apples, the government doing better on gun control and the likes but there are also lots of internal elements which need to be owned and worked on as well otherwise you are putting up roadblocks. Better police simply doesn't solve things on its own
     
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  8. Rogered Tart

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    That's not an insult, it's a fact. M9.
     
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  9. WilsdenBantam

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    To think the Bulgarian manager was giving it large about there been no racism in Bulgarian football and it’s England with the biggest problem. No doubt there’s still a big problem with racism in this country, but it’s not flat out denied or even made a joke of like it is in some Eastern European countries.
     
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    'Who put the ball in the racists net? Half the f*cking team did'
     
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  11. SimonW

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    He did say 'Bulgarian Championship". In all sports, International matches do often attract some people who wouldn't usually go and watch that sport (and vice versa, there are people who detest the international side of a sport but will turn up to the club side every week) so it's not totally beyond the realm of possibility that those making racist chants might not attend club matches (or they are dispersed across multiple clubs and without the larger group to protect them don't do it)

    Mind you we do the same thing he has done, its common to say 'It's not as bad as in X' to deflect'
     
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    While it is stereotyping using the term Eastern Europe there is some basis to it. As I said in my first post these countries that used to be behind the iron curtain don't generally have a noticeable black population. Prior to USSR falling apart they won't even have been getting exposed to western movies, tv, music and sport in a significant way, let alone western tourists of any race so it’s only been like 30 years that they have been getting exposed to western culture in any significant way and in turn non-white culture
     
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    And that helps how exactly?
     
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    Agree with one or two others, pot calling kettle black IMO and appearing some sort of compettion with a "I'm not as racist as you" trophy for the winners!

    The English FA it's manager & some players sound plain daft to me & need a dose of reality out of their super rich bubbles. AFAIK not one of them made any big deal about Gus Mafuta suffering apalling racist abuse from his own fans at Hartlepool the other week.
     
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    Sadly we have a lot of idiotic fans, don’t think it’s the first time sure we did the same against Germany? But it could have been someone else.
     
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    15-16 year olds?
    Tough paper rounds in Sofia obviously
     

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  17. bantamlad92

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    Ok, forget the schoolkid comment.

    Why is everybody overreacting to the mindless act of a small number of thick young Bulgarian men who likely have no job, money, and probably can't even spell the player's names. It's a tiny, microscopic number and they are clearly dregs of society - you can tell by just looking at them.

    It's a hysteric overreaction which is being pushed by our media and everyone is subconsciously just hopping on the band wagon.

    What do the views of 15-20 thick uneducated poor Bulgarian blokes matter to anyone?
     
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  18. Hoochy-Min

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  19. TallinnBantam

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    I live in "Eastern Europe". Due to the lack of ethnic minorities here in Estonia (apart from Russians), people don't actually realise they are being racist, because they've not been, or had to, pulled up on it. For example, the word in Estonian for a black person is "Neeger". This is slowly being phased out, but it's still the word used by the older generation, and of course their children. The books kids are being taught to read from, still have that word in the text. When Estonians are told that it's a word that shouldn't be used, they are confused. They are not being racist (per say) they are just using "their" word for a black person.

    The problem we have now, is that people ARE being openly racist in Estonia, because more people of international origin are coming to live here (God knows why - its freezing!). As it's a small country of 1.2 million, the right wing government are stirring up a storm about loss of language and loss of identity, and unfortunately quite a few Estonians are buying it. Plenty of videos of Indians and blacks being abused and told to "go home" on ex pats FB groups are popping up. Not just based on colour either - it's been told to me a few times. It's all about fear really - something that a lot of these former Soviet countries still carry in their DNA.
     
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  20. bantamlad92

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    What an outrageous assumption to make. What on earth have you based that statement on?

    By that logic, the collective racist incidents in English football lately is representative of millions of people in England?
     
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