Pyro's

Not naive at all it has to start somewhere it will be the fans who want to go to away games to sit and enjoy a game of football who will be the losers and thats not fair, the minority spoiling it for the majority.

 

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportlatest/23500419.fa-probe-flare-incidents-bantams-loss-crewe/

City are likely to be hit with fines - and could face further punishment including potential ticket and capacity restrictions.

Well done you morons you know who you are.
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It's obvious what would happen if the police, or stewards, tried to wade in on these people.

The fans around them would close ranks, a chant of "we're Bradford City we do what we want" would break out and the police and/or stewards would start getting pelters for trying to do something.

There has to be an element of self-policing, with it being made clear to these people that it isn't acceptable by other supporters, unfortunately for some reason some of our older fans seem to be in thrall to these youngsters and egg them on.

 

Well the extreme end of this is what Burnley & Blackburn do or Chester and Wrexham. Basically you can't go to the game unless you get a coach at the ground and you aren't given tickets until you get there. We are along way from there but we will edge toward it should this continue.

We have had more 1pm games that I have remembered this season, if we stay in this league I can see multiple 1pm games next season as Doncaster, Grimsby, Harrogate, etc are all moved. Which means for the actions of a few dickheads pretty much everyone has to jump through hoops.

 

Are those aged 14-17 allowed to buy tickets and enter the ground without an adult? You see groups of teens wandering about encouraging each other to be irresponsible often enough. A few years back I saw one chap, who took issue with a gang of them misbehaving behind him during the game, get "bumped" to the floor from behind by them without warning just outside the exit. Not what you want to see from your own fans. The zero tolerance attitude from the Richmond era seems to have rather fallen by the wayside. Remember how we used to laugh at the first one onto the pitch being ejected from the ground? Home fans stopped doing it and then we just laughed at away fans getting kicked out. I've not seen that happen for years and we now seem to be paying for it. It's not just a pyro issue. It's a general behaviour issue amongst a younger group of fans and not enforcing rules already there.


2.12. The Club takes its responsibility for the safeguarding of children
seriously, therefore any supporter Under 14 years old must be
accompanied by, and seated with, a qualifying adult, parent or
guardian, (age 18 years and over). Where seats directly together are
not available, the Club will decide based on the proximity of the
nearest seat, and the decision is not negotiable

 

Apparently SFA and Police aScotland are investigating incidents in both ends

 

The reason they put up cages in grounds was due to a small section of fans acting like hooligans.
The reason you can't have a beer in your seat like at rugby is due to a small section of fans who who can't behave.
The reason you can't have the bottle top with your coke from the tea bar is due to a small section of fans throwing them onto the pitch.
The reason the game is moved to 1pm is due to a small section of fans going out and looking for trouble.
The reason we are blocked from leaving on midland road is due to a number of idiots dashing their after the game to cause a scene with away fans.
The reason we get a reduced allocation for Doncaster in future is due to flares in the concourse, people trying to climb from the side stand to behind the goal and people running on the pitch.

If History has shown us anything it's that the actions of the few tend to make the rules for the many as we go forward.

 

They used to have them ....called Attendance Centres, some of the lads I grew up with got caught being naughty boys and had to go to one. I'm sure it was at Belle Vue Barracks between 2-4 on a Saturday afternoon.

 

Turn them in and get them kicked out for life. They are not supporters and we need rid of them. Failure to turn them in makes everyone as bad as them. Oafs (but I have much stronger words in my head).

 

I would have no problem at all dobbing them in. I was there last night and I'm still seething about their behaviour and it's consequences for the result.
The difficulty is that peaceful, law-abiding fans who don't want any trouble do their best to stay away from the numbnuts who throw pyros, rip up seats etc. I stood with @Bigrod last night, deliberately well away from the idiots, so as to avoid being caught up in any aggro. So it's impossible for most reasonable supporters to actually know who is responsible. I suspect that those older fans who choose to stand near the troublemakers are unlikely to be dobbing them in and may well be encouraging them.

It does seem absurd that we constantly see women's bags being searched outside away grounds yet the young idiots who smuggle pyro devices in seem to do it with impunity.

 

should have a prize eg free season ticket

 

Fair comment, and I retract to a certain extent as it is an OTT comment on my part (still reeling and emotional from last nights result ). Also it’s clear on this message board and the many years I’ve been supporting the club that there are way, way more good honest supporters than morons. Sadly the morons seem to be the one catching the headlines all too often in recent years.

 

There are bell ends on YouTube celebrating “ limbs” and “ Pyros” …….By definition that’s promoting their use.?

 

I'm all for action being taken on this problem of 'pyros' being used at football grounds as it can in the odd instance be physically or mentally damaging, I'm just dead set against this idea of lifetime bans. It's like some Draconian measure from the Victorian era. By all means look at a punishment to deter what is a daft thing to do. But as with most things in life people have the chance to change

 

They have not been dishing out lifetime bans. It's tended to be 1 or 2 months in prison and a 1-3 year ban from football grounds. Note this is not just for setting them off but also just for trying to get them into the ground. It is a criminal offence just for anyone under 18 to be carrying any kind of firework, smoke bomb or flare in a public place or to supply such to anyone under 18.

I suspect half of those trying to smuggle them in have no idea of the penalties. The resultant criminal record could ruin career prospects for years.

 

Don't the police have sniffer dogs that can detect smoke bombs/flares?

They should initially target the 14-20 age range as that seems to be where the problem lies.

When identified at an away game, entry is prohibited and an arrest is made for a potential public order offence or whatever they can come up with. Potentially get a criminal record before they have left school.

Dobbing fans in seems a plausible solution especially as most have smart phones and can record decent quality footage.

 

It would be a very brave man to go to either the stewards or police and points these Oafs out, it's one thing making comments on a forum another getting involved.
I assume from your comment you don't attend away games ?.