Pyro's

Now that's what you call a pyro party.

 

I'm certainly not talking about hooliganism or lawlessness. Quite the opposite. But as with all animals, younger generations need a firm hand, tough love and the occasional clip round the ear.

 

People on Facebook clamor to buy 56 hoodies and cups.....

 

And who gives the older generation that like the youths doing pyro a firm hand?

 

Problem is, back in the day you looked up to your elders. Many of the current cretin youth brigade don’t have respect for anyone, unless you’ve got X amount of followers on tik tok. They ain’t gonna listen to some fella who used to have a dust up in the 70s.

 

I was at Rochdale AFC, on business yesterday. They were full of admiration for the sheer size of our numbers, but thought we were the worst behaved they could ever remember.

I still can't get over what idiot decides to interrupt the flow of the match when your teams on top.

It's left a sour taste in my mouth, to the point of where I'm almost indifferent about promotion. I'm sure that will change if we seal the play-off's on Monday, but it's done far more to deflate the club that our injury time collection of howlers.

 

Let’s sack off promotion hopes for the majority then just because a handful of morons let off some pyros.
Many people have done the hard miles this season and won’t want to see a whole seasons work go to waste.

 

Or young people realised old people are invariably bigoted and out of touch. If it was up to old people there would be no tik tok, no internet, no progress.

 

Yep - and they keep getting fined.

https://forzanapolipress.com/2023/05/01/napoli-fined-e4000-for-throwing-flares-and-plastic-bottles-pitch-side/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=napoli-fined-e4000-for-throwing-flares-and-plastic-bottles-pitch-side

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And the penalties will get bigger as behaviour deteriorates. What penalty will they get for this title-winning celebration? It's getting out of control and needs stopping. Football has had a resurgence since the lows of the 70s and 80s because we managed to stop most of this stuff. We seem to be starting to go backwards again by turning a blind eye to minor indiscretions that are morphing into bigger problems. It's time to clamp down again and prosecute/ban those breaking the rules that are there for our safety.

Https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22256380/shocking-moment-fans-brawl-after-napoli-win/

 

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It was all over the city not just in the stadium. Its too far ingrained into european football, its a completely different mindset to football over there, its like a religion to fans in these countries. Thousands turn up to training session, even the womens football. You have to go to games over there to see what its actually like, i've been to a few over the years and the football culture is a bit like ours 20/30 years ago. But then society over there is different and the way the streets and stadiums are policed is different.

 

You do post some rubbish, Is that all old people or only old people who may have a different opinion to you, are the likes of Offcomedun, Bigrod who agree with you with regards brexit invariably bigoted.
Love your "tik tok comment you failed to add twitter and instagram remember the abuse Crichlow got from so called Bradford City fans I'd suggest they we kids/young uns, and we're out of touch says it all .

 

What a load of complete and utter bollocks. When exactly was this mythical golden age? People have been complaining about the activities of young people forever and suggesting that it represents some kind of breakdown in society. The 'flappers' of the 1920s 'jazz age' were supposedly the end of the world as they knew it and represented a complete disregard for societal norms and authority.

I was born in 1956 and as long as I can remember there have been people twisting, bending and breaking the rules at football matches and in society in general. Going to matches in the early 70s was a far more hazardous experience than it is now. And there were riots going on at football matches back into the early decades of the 20th century. Do you think the teddy boy razor/knuckle duster gangs of the 50s or the mod/rocker battles of the 60s were evidence of respect for authority?

All those Social Enquiry Reports I wrote for Juvenile Court in the 80s - 4 decades ago - for kids nicking cars, shoplifting and breaking into houses, didn't suggest to me that we were living in an age of respect for authority and rule-following.

Teenagers today are essentially no different than they've always been. If anything, most are pussycats compared to those who grew up in the harsh industrial conditions of yesteryear. If pyros had been widely available 40/50 years ago you can be certain that they'd have been thrown at matches instead of coins and bog rolls.
None of which excuses the actions of the idiots throwing pyros, who I've already vented my spleen about in an earlier post. But to suggest that this is evidence of a wider breakdown in law and order is just nonsense and is simply not supported by the facts - it's just rose tinted nostalgia for a mythical better time.

 

No I don't attend away games, however, in my professional life I tackle this sort of behaviour regularly and I don't fear calling out poor or dangerous behaviour. I have been trained to deal with it and how to get the message across. I read with hilarity the comments about no life time bans and growing up etc. The pacifying attitudes on here show a degree of condoning behaviour and lack of accepting responsibilities etc. I fear for the future when there is no or little respect of discipline.

 

Pacifying? By questioning the hyperbole of a lifetime ban? These are young kids we are talking about, they've got potential 50 or 60 years ahead of them. I'm guessing a bit here but i expect in your profession nothing comes with a lifetime ban unless the severity is something hugely important? Do we not live in a society which allows people to atone for their errors, apologise and learn from the errors of their ways? I'm sorry but wanting to ban someone for a lifetime for throwing letting off one of these devices is just wrong.

 

what was the excuse for the hooliganism in the 70s and 80s then ? Was that due to getting rid of hanging?

 

I agree with this comment not sure about the rest. I'll repeat it would take a brave individual to point these morons out to the stewards or police at a game with regards who threw the smoke bomb/flare, I don't think I've made any sort of comment with regards life time bans or pacifying these youths, I agree and think they should be brought to task not sure fellow Bradford City fans should be reasonable as you stated in your original post with regards the situation "Failure to turn them in makes everyone as bad as them", its a shame you don't do away games your expertise would be invaluable to the stewards/police.

 

And young people are rude, disrespectful, and neither use nor ornament... Two can play at that game!

What we have today was not always discovered/invented/developed by people who were young at the time, and it has always been thus. One day you will be an old person, and the youth of that time may well say about you what you are now saying about us. This, too, has always been the case.

Chill out, and join us older folk in annoying the neighbours with some punk rock electric guitar. That at least we can all do together!

RCB (once a young punk, now just an unapologetically bigoted, out of touch, late-middle-aged geezer)

 

Right so I take onboard the views in the posts above and I push back to you all then that in fact the youth of today are in no way as unruly or violent as past generations and that we should indeed be thankful that setting off pyros is the extent of the problems they cause.