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Pitch Watering

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Bigrod, Aug 12, 2022.

  1. Bronco

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    At the end of the day its the tax payer who picks the tab up, no government has a "money tree".
     
  2. Storck

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    is that net migration if 7.2m?
     
  3. SimonW

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    To be fair I think you are oversimplifying things. The problem is most businesses aren't self-contained, they are in a chain, infact often multiple chains and every point in those chains is under pressure.

    For example, I'm currently in a dilemma on the web hosting part of my business. My hosting is in 3 parts, there is the web server itself, there is the backup system which is running in a different datacentre in a different country and then there is the mail server that's running on a different datacentre whose service is specialised in that so emails actually arrive at users.

    All 3 providers of these servers/datacentres have been impacted by the covid caused silicone shortage as demand for electronics hasn't fallen but production due to factories being short staffed or even closed down for periods. So when one of these data centres needs to say replace a dead hard drive they are paying more now than they were pre-covid for the same thing. Even after buying needed equipment, the global shipping issues have meant companies like this which often need the equipment ASAP and are ordering in large amounts are having to pay excessive amounts to get the items and in a timely manner

    Data centres also use a massive amount of power, both to run the equipment but also to cool it so the rising energy costs that have been made worse by Russia have hit them further.

    And cost of living due to all the things going on is hitting their employees who want pay rises to help them be able to afford to live which if they agree to do that increases their costs even more.

    None of them raised prices during covid, they shoulder all the increases but they have one by one increased what they charge me. When the backup server and the email server companies increased their prices I shouldered the cost but last month the cost of the web servers also increased.

    Now there is the 4th part of my service and that's myself managing all these servers. The setups are all bespoke to each site's needs and I have to keep the servers secured, updated, improve performance etc etc. The server increases though have eaten into the markup I have to account for my time managing the servers, it's at a point where there are a couple of the less commercial sites like Bantam Talk where my markup is lowest are maybe one more price rise away from me paying for the privilege of hosting the site.

    And like everyone my living costs are going up which means my time is now more valuable but I'm being paid less for it. So my dilemma is do I increase my costs? If I do, the more hobby sites like this may stop being viable and the commercial ones I host I'm just adding to the problem as these companies are going to have to raise prices to cover it which means making some peoples cost of living even higher, especially for companies whose products aren't really luxury ones. Luckily I don't have any actual staff (if its something I can't do or don't have the time I use independent contracts as and when I need them) but if I did it would be an even tougher choice as I would want to make sure they were ok.

    It's just massively tough and while I'm sure there are people abusing the situation for quick gains without knowing each company's personal situation you can't really accuse anyone of profiting
     
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  4. Tingleyb

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    It certainly isn't a moral issue. Private business isn't affected. As a business who uses water its allowed (for now).

    The issue re grey water question is for the landlord as it would surely require their approval to make the appropriate changes.
     
  5. Tennesseebantam

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    Climate change is not an agenda. In other news, the planet Earth is an oblate Spheroid. If your science information comes from Q anon type sites, you are forgiven for not knowing this.
     
  6. Fordy117

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    I can accuse tradesman, Supermarkets and certainly energy companies of profiting.

    People are looking for quick profits. Petrol prices are falling. So will costs! No!

    Energy support is there but the government needs to do more.

    Bottom line is you want or considering increases do to cost of living that’s just wrong. Companies can’t have it both ways.

    Anyone that increases their labour costs won’t be used by me and others I know. Be careful not to damage your business. Morrisons for example can get away with it but not for long. Pressure is on them to reduce the price at the pumps and rightly so. Joke of a business currently!
     
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  7. Kevin1954

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    It’s the opposite of a joke for shareholders and Directors on profit share and other indirect or direct bonuses . A license to print money would be more apt?
     
  8. Fordy117

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    Companies just seeing the situation to make more money in a time in which people need them to be understanding.

    I bet in the long run I benefit more.
     
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    Yorkshire Water make millions in profits and pay very very good salaries to operational staff. Not saying they dhoukd cut wages, but the level they pay combined with the profits they make, shows they don't invest as much as they could in providing the service.

    There are thousands of unused reservoirs in the UK, three within a mile of me at Chellow Dene and Hewenden. Instead of restrictions they could/ should look at ways of using these.

    I've been past both in the last week, and neither are low. Hewenden in particular is almost overflowing.
     
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    Those reservoirs are storage reservoirs, Chellow Dene certainly is the main one for Bradford. They collect water from Nidderdale to supply the city. They will always be full. The real problems lie with the catchment reservoirs which, in Bradford's case, lie in the upper Nidd valley. There's a big pipeline that comes from the huge reservoirs there which emerges above Silsden, feeds a number of reservoirs around there and continues onwards, crossing the Aire near Cottingley Bridge and terminates at Chellow Dene. Most reservoirs people pass by will be seen to be full, as they need to be, but that can easily be interpreted as there being no problem. There certainly is.
    Bradford's water is also supplemented by Ogden Water which feeds Halifax, but can be diverted to serve south Bradford, hence the decommissioning of the two reservoirs at Horton Bank Top some years ago. The system is pretty efficient but no system can cope with a lack of rain.
     
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    What’s up with “ Chella” . I used to fish it once a week in summer up to 95.
     
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    Scammondon (?) was built by Bradford Council , what happened to that?
     
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    Supplies Huddersfield apparently. I thought it was Bradford Corporation that built it but according to the wonderful google it was Huddersfield
     
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    So did I.
     
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    Scar House and Angram apparantly via the Nidd Aquaduct fed Bradford it’s water all by gravity! What an engineering feat in those days!
     
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    Yorkshire water built a pipeline from Bradford's supply to feed Leeds in difficult times, Of course Bradford had built its own reservoirs for the wool industry but these were given to Yorkshire Water after a fight in the courts.
     
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    You'd probably also be interested in the light railway built to help construct the reservoirs and, for a while, provide a passenger service in the area. It's a fascinating story and, as you say, amazing engineering.
     
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  18. Bronco

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    Passed it on our way to the dark side the other week and it was well down.
     
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    Rugby League Clubs (mainly Super League) are chucking an estimated 30,000 litres of water a day on their pitches.

    "Some clubs are using 30,000 litres PER DAY to keep their pitches playable. At amateur level, a hosepipe ban could force games off. Training times impacted too. With another heatwave and drought hitting Britain, this is how #rugbyleague is being impacted."
     
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  20. Kevin1954

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    Yes I knew about the railway. We once went on the damn wall and you immediately think “ How on earth did they do it without todays modern machinery?
     

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