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And sadly that statement runs right through the squad not just him.

 

He has never really had an extended run in the team though has he. He was one of the best players on the pitch against oxford and then left ou. He hasn’t had the chances others have had

 

Thing is Park, we dont see them all week in training. Its the same for the clamour from some for Jordan Gibson being given a run, especially has we have no fit natural left sided attacking player othen than him, yet he still cannot even command a place on the bench.

Sorry, but from what I have seen of McCartan, league 2 player at best

 

Can he get us enough goals to save us from relegation is the question.

 

Disagree. Show me where McCartan has missed a dozen or so "one on one's". The goal against Bury showed a player with a lot of composure - very easy to foul that up. Guarantee Poleon would have done so

In wanting to prove he's crap and always will be, it's easy to forget the few performances where he was half decent and showed what an asset he would be if (and it's a big one!!) he could be more confident / consistent whatever. Maybe he needs better management - but I have visions of him leaving and then becoming a good player and us looking stupid, because we ran out of patience.

Fact is our best game of the season, the home game against Oxford, involved him, with Taylor and Wyke creating chance after chance. Nobody can deny that wasn't a very good attack and showed the future possibilities. Of course we need to take into account the opposition, but if a player can perform like that once then it would be nonsensical to write off £200K without making every effort to see what is needed to get that type of return for most games.


If you think in terms of ball skills Poleon and McCartan are similar then that's up to you. I don't see it. It's seems strange that the NI manager used to pick him when he was in L2. Unless O'Neil's an idiot, he must have seen something. It isn't as though they are one of the poor footie nations.

John Coleman the Accy Manager, has apparently said that he responds best to encouragement and he seems good at handling such players as Billy Kee suffers from depression

Maybe the expectations and size of this club / stadium / fanbase are too much for him, but I refuse to believe that there isn't a very decent L1 player somewhere inside him and will be more than happy to hold my hands up if proven wrong

I must admit, I can't see him in a Grayson team, unless you have two very defensive midfielders, who can actually pass the ball accurately, the current front two with McCartan behind them and a good winger. He is difficult to fit in a team and it is a fair question to ask is he worth the effort

But castigating him as rubbish, without proper analysis is what I'd expect from a poor manager

 

It can be all about timing. If you remember when Parky first came, one of the first things he did in his first window was let Liam Moore go. He argued that he was the wrong player for the attritional battle needed at that time

I reckon McCartan would have reveled last season, in a team that was together at all times

I don't blame Grayson for not playing him as attrition was needed to get us back to our current mid-table form. That's the consequence of losing 9 out of 10 - newish players, who are new to the division often take a step backwards

 

Why's that then? Do you know we're definitely going to have a relegation battle on? Or are you one of many already given up on season that not only hasn't started yet, we have no idea what the line up will be or Manager

I wonder if that's how Hurst inspired Shrewsbury?

 

Greg said Shay has found it hard to step up to what is s massive leap compared to what he was used to at Accrington, he said as much himself with training ETC, so that could be a reason hes found it hard to be consistant and get selected on a regular basis for the starting 11, plus the fact our managers see him in training on a daily basis, not suggesting he doesn't put his work in on the training pitch but McCall did allud to players not doing it in training.

 

Give over Park, i know you very positive in all things City but you must be the only person trying to put some sort of positive spin on McCartan's first season at the club. He has shown very little to prove he is worthy of playing in league 1. We can't wait another season to see if the 'real' Shay McCartan decides to turn up to the party.

 

Give McCarten an extended run in the team and I think he will come good. Time will tell either with us or someone else at that time we can revisit the subject

 

He was harshly made the scapegoat in that Northampton match, when in the first half he was the only player trying to create anything, i.e. as usual Law got away with easily his worst game that I've seen in a City shirt

For me McCall seemed to be determined to have a 'naughty boy nets' attitude with him, but then let certain seniors off with just as bad a performance. He more or less admitted the latter, when asked about why McCartan was suddenly firing (at Xmas) then reverted back to scapegoating

Look, it isn't as though he didn't deserve to be dropped. In that Northampton game, you could have taken off around eight if you had the choice!!

 

I don't think it's castigating him without proper analysis, I think you're actually over analysing to try and find a player in there however to answer your points.

I don't recall him missing the amount of easy one on one chances that Poleon has. Completely agree however I don't recall him getting himself in the positions to make those attempts either so I can't really give him credit for that.

I wouldn't say they were the same in term of ball skills either. In terms of overall performance I don't think there's much between them though. I agree you can find a few performances where McCarten was half decent but you can also probably find a few where Poleon was the same.

As for being picked once by Northern Ireland. It's not exactly conclusive is it? There will be plenty of players who've had a chance in teams like Nothern Ireland who wouldn't have been good enough for us.

I wouldn't write him off completely but that's simply because we have £200k invested (wasted?) in him but to try and differentiate his actual performances and impact from that of Poleon isn't easy.

 

if we'd signed him for free no one would want to keep him.

 

He has to earn the right to that position. Please don't tell me he hasn't been given a chance because that is wrong. Doesn't matter if he goes elsewhere and makes it, he has to do it here.

 

I want to give Shay a fair chance, but other than Oxford he's done nothing to make me think he's going to make it.

And £200k is crazy money, people will say it's chicken feed in Football but at this level it isn't without looking I bet he was in the top 10 for transfer size at this level in the summer. To put it into context, a few year ago it came out that the average League player gets £70k per year, without my calculator that's about £1.2k per week? So you could get a free and pay him the transfer fee in wages at around £4k per week plus then you have Shay's wages, so say pay someone £5k per week (maybe more). That could probably get you a top end player at this level, and a player well above our current pay grade.

So in summary, we were ripped off.

 

I go In the Crown pub every Thursday night next to Stanley's ground and not one of the Accy fans who I speak with were sorry to see him go and can't believe they got £200k for him.

 

As I have said on here before I know a guy who is a scout in the Lancashire area who contradicts what you say.
His performances merited scouts from many Scottish and English clubs following his progres. Probably why he was the only player including Wyke to attract any interest In January

 

I think he was brought in mistakenly to play in the position Clarke occupied and he is completely different type of player. In my opinion he needs a decent run in the team not in and out like he has been

 

Well someones opinion counts for nothing, either your mate or the Accrington fans who go in the Crown pub. Looks at this moment in time that the lads in the Crown pub are winning this particular battle.