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Discussion in 'City Talk' started by south york bantams, May 3, 2018.

  1. Park bantam

    Park bantam Regular Starter
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    Crewe have produced some great players over the years they have had to because they have very poor gates.all the money they make pays the bills. If we get a name for providing a gateway to progress hopefully we can produce players for a profit and improve the team and the same time
     
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  2. Bantamsteve

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    Hope is the right word
     
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  3. Bigrod

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    Yes in the past. But despite building a club based on that model, they are where they are.
     
  4. Park bantam

    Park bantam Regular Starter
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    As I say all the profits go to prop themselves up. That wouldn’t be the case with us
     
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    I don’t want the Crewe model, I want us to be promoted to the next level. I do not want our reason for existence is to develop young players for the benefyof other clubs.
     
  6. Dennis

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    Things don't seem to have gone as well on the youth development front at Crewe since Dario Gradi and Barry Bennell became less hands on!
     
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  7. Bronco

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    Very naughty [​IMG].
     
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  8. alex

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    I’m not saying we’re in the same league (financially) as Peterborough but we are trying to pursue a similar strategy with recruitment and bringing in players with sell on value.

    Like I said, this takes time to implement and time to learn and get right. There will be plenty of “misses” but hopefully a few “hits”. I like this policy far more than the old regime, sadly a lot of fans seem to have decided they don’t like change, they want the owners out and will refuse to listen to reason.
     
  9. Rogered Tart

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    The strategy has a slim chance of success and that depends on how we are going to bring these talented young players to the club. I hope the owners get it right, but its gonna take more speculating and that means more funding, i'm not sure there is anything in the pot for that.
     
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  10. Edinmiarse

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    Ladies and gentlemen, Bradford city fans. Prepare for mid table/relegation battle. I see absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise. Nothing.
     
  11. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    I've just rarely seen the strategy work. The only examples I can think of are Crewe getting to the Championship and Southampton to the top half of the PL.

    You need a lot of luck to bring through a group of youngsters together, who are all good enough to take the next step up.

    From a financial perspective, if we're spending £500k, extra a year, on youth/development squad, we'd need to sell a player for £2m every four years, just to stand still.

    I don't see that happening.

    The only benefit I can see of this strategy, is that you can under pay players until they are 24, because they don't have the Bosman ruling to fall back on. However, you might need 6 or 7 failures to get 1 right. You might have well sunk the money into a couple of wages for senior pro's.
     
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  12. Bigrod

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    I guess I am an ‘inbetweener’!

    I think in theory the policy of developing younger players is a good one.

    However there was an old saying, ‘’never put all your eggs in the one basket’! For me that rings true.

    Yes by all means try and develop young players, but an over reliance on one model appears a high risk strategy.

    Even if we are to try this ‘solo route’, then it will take time for the process to mature.

    Consequently I would suggest a ‘twin track’ approach is more realistic, where you additionally seek to attract more established players.

    I have banged on about the fact that the owners will have had a windfall and paid far less of their Euro’s for City than they had originally intended, given the demise of the pound to the euro.

    Surely as a ‘bridging’ exercise (like taking a short term bridging loan when moving house), the owners could in the short term boost the funds available, by using the surplus they have gained, to bolster the budget.
     
  13. Seasideman

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    Too early to say that yet.
     
  14. Edinmiarse

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    Maybe but the projected budget and policy suggests to me that mid or lower table might be par for the course. Of course we all hope things will be substantially better than that but I think I'm being realistic. I've also seen City for over 4 decades and division 3 or 4 is our average.
     
  15. Stafford Bantam

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    Don't forget that as a Club spends more on its youth/development set up, and moves up to a higher category academy, so the central funding, through EPPP, increases.

    If we get our academy up to category 2, then roughly half the cost would be centrally funded (effectively from the Premier League TV deal). EPPP may not be great for lower league Clubs, but it does bring some benefits, especially for those Clubs that invest in the youth/development side.
     
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    Are you sure about that? Have the funding arrangements changed this season?

    Up to last season, the principal advantage of an EFL having a higher level of academy was that the payment made to a club when a young player moves under the EPPP regime is higher. In general, for every year which the youngster has developed in a club's academy, the developing club is paid an agreed amount by the buying club for each of those years. And that set amount is more for a Cat 2 academy than for a Cat 3. But as far as I'm aware, it has nothing to do with any central funding. EFL clubs were still receiving a modest £50k from the PL for 'young player development' whether they even had an academy or not.

    The EFL clubs share of the Sky TV PL deal comes via the so-called solidarity payment which is around £4.5 m for a Championship club and around £650k for a Div 1 club. But those figures are unconnected with an academy requirements.
     
  17. Stafford Bantam

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    I believe its not changed since it was introduced and covers both central funding and payments for players that move, both on agreed scale, based on category level.

    This is Coventry City's take on what it means to have category 2 status: https://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/2016/june/news-richard-stevens-on-what-it-means-to-have-a-category-ii-football-academy-/
     
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  18. alex

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    Yeah I can’t disagree with anything you’ve said there. It’s a gamble putting all our focus on youth but is that what we’ve done?

    We signed McCarten, Wyke, Poleon etc for fees and these were all players for the first team. They’ve obviously been signed with a view to improving them and selling them on for a profit but that’s different to youth/development signings like Pubus, Robinson, Hanson etc.
     
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  19. Nick_W_

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    Thanks for the heads up.
     

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