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Discussion in 'City Talk' started by south york bantams, May 3, 2018.

  1. Tillo

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    No, but it helps if you have some to work with
     
  2. Idlebantam

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    I agree, we need to make better use of the loan market in the summer, and also the free transfer system. Paying decent transfer fees on distinctly average players such as Poleon and McCartan backfired last summer. Parky had the knack of bringing in good free transfer players such as Darby, Meredith, McArdle and Jones for example. Not only decent players, but good characters the fans really took to and backed to the hilt
     
  3. JonButterfield

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    I think this is what has upset so many.

    With Parkinson, we knew he had the full backing of the chairmen, and one or two bad patches or even mediocre seasons didn't mean we had to press the reset button.

    Stuart, largely, had done a good job, but it never felt like he was in control - not his fault, because that control went to Rahic - but one bad run and that reset button was pressed.

    Now we have a manager trying to play a totally different style with unsuitable players. This does not look like a plan. If they were unhappy with Stuart, why was his work not continued by someone more suitable or similar ?

    As for player recruitment, its very hard to fathom a plan there either.
     
  4. south york bantams

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    So do you blaim all the above on edin??just a genuine question,because how would edin know about the likes of poleon,reeves,shay,etc etc etc(before anyone jumps down my throat yes bruenkar,the two keepers were edins picks hes fully admiited this but the others??).
    What im getting at is its more than one person who put this team/squad together and we all should remember this before we start bashing certain guys.
    Thanks
     
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  5. Stafford Bantam

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    I'm going to throw in something else and see if @south york bantams@south york bantams wishes to comment on it.

    Previously, the owners referred to a £700k deficit, and this has been banded around by various people since.

    My take on the £700k deficit reference, is that this is was the position that the Club was in, when it was taken over by Stefan and Edin, i.e. if the new owners had made no changes, we would be looking at an annual loss in that region.

    Julian and Mark dealt with this, by looking for cup runs, sales clauses from young players that had previously moved on or, failing anything else, by selling a player.

    Stefan and Edin seem to have been working on this differently, by improving income (commercial, sponsorship etc.) and reducing wages, to bridge the gap; all this whilst increasing expenditure on the development squad as well.

    If what they said last night is correct, then they have more or less bridged that gap and, presumably, are looking to increase income (commercial, sponsorship, developing youngsters for resale etc.) further, in order to further increase the first team playing budget.

    That seems to be the strategy, as I see it. Start the season with a break even plan, but try to improve that budget year on year, as other parts of the business contribute more.

    Whether or not it works, well only time will tell.
     
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  6. Park bantam

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    The signings of such as Wyke McCarten Reeves and others show a pattern of signing players with a potential sell on value the fact is that some of them haven’t come off doesn’t mean to say the strategy is wrong
     
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  7. Park bantam

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    I think that is it exactly
     
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  8. south york bantams

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    Couldnt have put it more better my self well done that man.
    Everythings getting better like i said.
     
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  9. JonButterfield

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    The owners assembled the team that picks the players. Appointing a chief scout in Greg Abbott hasnt worked at all.

    Let's hope this lesson has been learned, and we sign players for better reasons than 'but he's 23 and played well for six months'.

    Sign the players we as a squad need. End of.
     
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    It doesn’t mean the strategy is wrong, iust the implementation of it. Look, lets not beat around the bush here, any strategy is going to take years to bare any fruit, and even then there are no guarantees. I think Rupp and Rahic now realise the enormity of the money pit that is English football and that as the club stood when they bought it was in no way fit to be sustainable bar a lucky cup run. They also need to realise that in order for theit plans to have a realistic chance of working they will lose money in the short term. Any business that invests in its future cannot do it without financial investment. Put the money in now and give themselves a better chance if getting it back over the long term investment.
     
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  11. Dennis

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    It's somewhat premature to say that things are getting better.

    At the moment, we have an acceptance that mistakes have been made but without the owners explaining or describing what those mistakes were. Maybe R&R sees those mistakes in the same way as many fans do or maybe they don't. At this stage we simply don't know.

    Without ignoring what has been said, they are at this stage merely fine words and some of them are a continuation of what's been done to date. For example, I don't see any recognition that additional resources might be required to make the jump from Div 1 to the Championship. Personally, I'll feel better about the situation when their fine words are translated into action. I'll start with the appointment of a manager who has experience of success at this level and is backed by the owners to bring similar success at our club. Doing that will be a strong signal that things are changing for the better. Not doing that will be equally a strong signal that nothing has really changed.

    I'll be keeping an open mind on this since I don't believe they are fools who want to destroy their own investment in our club. But, and it's a big BUT, they need to recognise that the financial backing of the manager will be key togetting promotion in the near future. The majority of owners (more than three-quarters!) in Div 1 support their club from their own pockets and for some that's eye-wateringly expensive. Those who cannot or choose not to do that in the short term are at a huge disadvantage compared to those who do. I hope the owners understand that and get somebody at the club to check out the accounts of the rest of the Div 2 clubs to understand this better. If they don't do this, they won't have a proper understanding of what we're up against.
     
  12. Onside

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    WINNER
     
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  13. SydneyBantam

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    Grayson will stay and John Welsh to become first signing.
     
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  14. Onside

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    For a minute there I thought I was in a parallel universe on my own. @Dennis@Dennis is correct apologising all the time doesn’t do a thing for me. We need to know where they think they have made mistakes to see it corresponds with what the fans think. Failing that they need to get on and sort the mess out, I will suspend my euphoria for the time being until I see where we are going.
     
  15. south york bantams

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    So your kindly asking for our owners to put our beloved club in to a cycle of debt that once your in you find very hard to get out of?.
    We are going to this very sensibly and run a sustainable club that makes revenue from all differant parts of the business so we can pool the gains in to the playing side so we dont end up with deficits and having to depend on cup runs and selling players to wipe certain amounts clean away.
    We are not getting on the merry go round that is if club a b ir c are getting in to debt because there pushing the boat out with 7k aweek wages and decent transfer fees etc then we will sink very very fast.we dont want that do we?.
    We will most prob finnish around 8 points from playoffs give or take a point,theres 4 out of 6 clubs with budgets that is at least double ours.1 is very similar.so it can be done and if we didnt have the down turn in form and injuries we could and may be should be in top six again.again its how you spend it not what you have.
     
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  16. bantam2708

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    Just seen he's leaving PNE in the summer
     
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    ...and here’s me thinking it was Edin.
     
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  18. CT Bantam

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    The loan market is not our owners preferred policy we were told and paying fees has been the strategy thus far.

    I guess you are saying you think that their approach should change. If so there are many who agree with you Park
     
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    spending a large budget wisely will usually take you further than spending a small budget wisely Tillo
     
  20. Dennis

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    Please don't put words into my mouth.

    There is nothing wrong in any business taking on debt which they can afford to pat back over time from increased earnings. That's how most businesses operate in the commercial world. Having debt does not necessarily mean that the club will sink as you put it. In the real world, one doesn't follow the other. But if the owners don't want to run a company which has unsustainable levels of debt then there is an answer to that ... put more equity into the club. But whether it's debt or equity, three-quarters of owners of clubs in Div 1 already do this and that's what we are up against if we are looking for promotion in the near future. How do you believe we will compete with the Scunnys and and Rotherhams
    and Portsmouths whose owners already do this? And that's without mentioning those clubs who may be coming down from the Championship this season who already have Championship quality players in their squad. As you said, there are many clubs this year whose playing budgets were higher than ours. And we couldn't just compete with that. And it will be no different next season without an injection of funds into the club. Are you any more confident of our results and final position next season than you are of this one?

    And on a related matter, every club would love to have a conveyor belt of new talent coming through their ranks to either establish a first team place or be sold off at a profit. And many clubs have already tried this approach and very few have made a success of it. I wonder why more haven't been successful at it and what makes us so sure that we can do it where many others have failed? It remains a risky and costly strategy and for one, I wouldn't be relying on that approach for our future footballing success.
     

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