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January Transfer Window

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Rogered Tart, Dec 31, 2019.

  1. Faithful Bantam

    Faithful Bantam Squad Player

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    Exactly right. We clearly don't have the longer term strategy or ambition to take this club forward. I'm not talking about 'hoping' we get to the championship and underpricing season tickets. I'm talking about a proper, forward looking and ambitious, exciting plan to take the club forward. It simply isn't there. We're being left behind by the top 2 leagues. At most, we'll be a reasonably competitive League 1 club in the next 10 years.
     
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  2. borderlescott

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    There were some attractive bits in their plans, for sure, but the problem was Rahic was an idiot and his whole recruitment drive was undermined by naivety.

    He claimed he wanted to implement a more German style of paying the players, with a lower basic wage and more incentivised add ons. That may work in Germany where you are competing against other German clubs for German players who are au fait with that way of doing things, but you can't come over here and expect Rory McArdle and other history makers to accept a lower basic wage, while dangling the carrot of other incentives to bump the overall salary package back up, when the player can travel an hour down the road and get a traditional British contract with a higher basic wage and fewer add ons at a rival club.

    When he started banging on about this, that was the point I started to question if he knew what he was doing! He was never going to revolutionlise the British game.

    With the player squad ruined, the plans to modernise the ground, professionalise the scouting and coaching etc all took a back seat. Well, it became even worse than that in the end once Rahic started sacking staff and cutting back, doing away with protein bars and ice baths etc. Shambolic stuff in the end and it was inadequate.
     
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  3. Dennis

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    I'd like to think that we will have that kind of discussion in the future. But I really doubt it will ever happen.

    We've lived hand to mouth for more years than I care to recall and that mindset is embedded in the club and particularly in JR. When he and ML owned it, there was no investment to take the club forward despite them both recognising that without investment, the club wouldn't progress. And now with JR in an influential position but without any personal financial commitment to the club, you'd think this was a good time to get these ideas on the table at no risk to JR himself. But no. It's just more of the same and it will take a major change in the club's mindset before the club can progress much further.

    We might get promoted into Div 1 this season or maybe next but there are millions required to improve the club infrastructure and put in place a real, well funded, well resourced development programme which will sustain the club moving forward. We've had a couple of goes at it - eight years ago when Archie came on board and then of course the Rahic three year plan - but in both case, the club, for which read the then owners, wanted to do it all on the cheap. If it could be done cheaply, lots of other clubs would do it that way. Unfortunately, it can't be done on the cheap and it will be those clubs with a bit of vision and an ambitious owner with access to additional investment who will be much better placed to progess than ourselves. I wish it were different but I don't see any signs of a change in our approach.
     
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  4. Rogered Tart

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    Klopp's long term vision is pure genius. Reminds me of the days of Alex Ferguson when they dominated English football. Its attention to detail that borders on obsession but the rewards reaped are the fruit of that labour. Just look at their near neighbours Everton, pumped in tens of millions with no real long term strategy bar paying well over the odds for average players from other clubs with no proper thought of how they will all work together. That why Leicester impress me, gone all out to get a real class manager in Rogers, building a huge state of the art training facility whilst bringing through a conveyor belt of young talent. Thats well thought out long term strategy.
     
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  5. Faithful Bantam

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    Doomed from the start.

    I remember being in the baggage claim area of Manchester Airport after coming back from a business trip, going online to the T&A website and reading the story about wealthy German owners buying out Bradford City. I was made up. Seemed like the shot in the arm the club needed to really move it forward. The optimism didn't last long....

    A couple of weeks later I was on holiday and by pure chance I bumped into someone I new, who's very well connected at City - particularly at the time. I asked him about the new owners and he told me that their plan was to REDUCE costs at the club, at least in the short term. The playing budget was to be trimmed and he didn't expect Parky to hang around. I was gobsmacked.

    As Rahic then spoke, there were elements of what he talked to that sounded great, but it was quickly apparent that the substance around his 'vision' was all fantasy. And then I heard more and more about how people were being treated at the club....

    I bumped into Billy Clarke just after he left, shortly after our Play-Off final. He was at the Goals facility next to Hanson school. Our kids were playing in the same competition. I spent 10 mins chatting to him - an absolutely brilliant bloke. He was nearly in tears, told me he hadn't want to leave and that if left unchecked, Rahic would destroy the club beyond repair. Told me other things that horrified me, which I won't share on here.
     
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  6. Park bantam

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    It’s “Access to additional investment “ that is the key but it’s a philanthropist we need not an investor because the risk against reward are to high
     
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  7. Faithful Bantam

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    The most impressive thing that Klopp has done, is tap into the emotion of the Liverpool fans. Their current setup is about as Liverpool as you could make it.
     
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  8. Rogered Tart

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    The friendly at Valley Parade showed him for what he really is. Even at a friendly he treats everyone with respect, he understands the link between fans and the clubs. Funny how Liverpool don't seem to be laden with prima donnas like Pogba.
     
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    we know how it works on here pal, some people don't rate Clarke as a footballer so his opinion on how things were at City can't be believed.
     
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  10. Faithful Bantam

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    Or Lingard. Or Martial. Can't understand where Man United are going wrong....
     
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  11. Park bantam

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    They are going about it the right way now bringing home grown players and good young players like James in. They will need patience and one or two established big but right signings and in a year or two there will be a big difference
     
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  12. bantam2708

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    Man Utd's recruitment is embarrassing for a club like that. They're signing any average joe so long as he has a British passport.
     
  13. Rogered Tart

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    Got to have success as a marker. Arsenal have that problem, they're bringing in youngsters but with no real structure around them. Man United have to get rid of problems like Pogba first. Then settle on a manager with a football philosophy and build your club around it. Klopp took over at a good time at Liverpool, Rodgers had laid a lot of the ground work, and the club was ready for the next push.
     
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  14. Park bantam

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    We will see. I think after a few years of paying silly money for bad attitude they are now bringing their own players through and young players on the rise like James. If they continue this and buy a couple of the right type and attitude they will reap the reward in the future. We saw glimpses of it when they well beat Man City and came the closest to beating Liverpool this season
     
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    Sir Alex knew when to get out he was always going to be a hard act to follow.
     
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  16. Faithful Bantam

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    I think they’re fundamentally broken. They’re no longer the draw they were. The need a massive overhaul and I don’t think they’re geared up to do it. They’re being left behind.
     
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    Anyway, back to our transfer window. Kind of concerning that we haven't heard about anyone coming in for our fringe players. I'd have thought that Akpan and the rest would have been put on the market by now.
     
  18. Park bantam

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    Only on the pitch they can compete with most in Europe it may take a while because Liverpool and city are way off at the moment but they will be back again
     
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  19. Faithful Bantam

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    But their financial muscle isn’t THAT much better than anyone else’s, in the sense that matters. Sure, they can throw 300k at someone and if that player is solely driven by the best financial deal possible, they’ll get them. But you’re not going to get the type of quality player who’s motivated by success - and that’s EXACTLY what they need.

    If you’re a top player in your early or mid twenties, with the talent to play Champions League Football, you’re going to have better footballing options than Man United. I wonder whether Maguire regrets going there.... And I bet the likes of Maddison, who they’re linked with, aren’t in a rush to make the same journey.
     
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    There is no doubt the Champions league is a big draw for players and united and others who want to be back there have to pay over the odds but they are still a big name and a big draw for players and they have to be cleverer which I say they are starting to do. Unlike other top teams they don’t have a director of football and I think it is needed at level
     
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