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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by trevor, Aug 27, 2021.

  1. Bronco

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    That's unlike you to insult a fellow poster, you have read the forum rules haven't you? where have I said it was a poor decision, if that situation arose in the future I'd vote exactly the same way.
    You don't know me from Adam your above comment is out of order.
     
  2. YungNath

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    You aren't a moderator, if it had broken the rules the post would have been removed and I would have been banned/censured. I also think it's quite cynical on your part to characterise what I said as such, as it allows you to avoid discussing the point I made which is that voting for Boris was a tremendously poor decision that the rest of us are now lumbered with, ditto brexit.
     
  3. Bronco

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    If I'd wanted it censured I would have reported it but I thought you was a poster who didn't have to make such comments obviously I was wrong.
    As I posted you don't have a clue about me just as I don't know you, yet you're quite happy to quote my imagination a rather immature comment, secondly I would vote exactly the same way as I did at the last General Election.
    It was a fair democratic vote by the British electorate something many remainers find hard to accept, of course in your words "your lumbered with Brexit" because more of the electorate on the night voted for it, you can't seem to accept that, many times we were told by the remainers a large number of leavers had changing their minds with no proof to suggest that was the case.
     
  4. YungNath

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    And it would still be up to the moderators whether or not it's breaking the rules. Mods on here are pretty on it with that stuff so I would suggest it's ok. That's entirely your prerogative to do so, but if you want to put that view out there obviously there'll be people who disagree with you. Trying to paint people who think voting for boris/brexit is a bad idea as people who have a problem with democracy is much more insulting than anything I've said to you.
     
  5. Bronco

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    All this rubbish because I made a tongue in cheek comment about having little choice at the last general election.

    Who else was in the race, a party that would totally ignore the referendum vote, or a party that would renegotiate the deal and then tell the electorate to vote against the renegotiated deal, and keep us in the EU.

    I'll leave it there I certainly didn't expect a reply like your first reply, have a good night.
     
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    Youre very sensitive arent you?

    You vote for the biggest scum party in the land. You voted for and also bought into Boris Johnson who is well known to say way worse things than 'you have no imagination' and yet you get so offended by what is just an observation. If you found it insulting then thats your own sense of self you need to worry about not what this lad is saying. The definition of conservative would be unimaginative, opposing change, keep the status quo, return to traditions, you voted along those lines and now offended by someone putting a mirror up to you. Own your views buddy, just like you should own the choice you made to damage your fellow citizens.

    Dont have a cry now will you, you entered a political debate afterall.
     
  7. Bronco

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    Thanks but I cant take all the credit just played my part in getting Boris a 80+ seat majority :joy::joy: I'd do exactly the same again, get used to it the Tories will be in power for a long long time, you can thank me later:thumbup:.
     
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    Ill let your fellow bradfordians and yorkshiremen thank you for another generation of under investment.
     
  9. Bronco

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    Good man.
     
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    As opposed to electing a terrorist loving Marxist
     
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    Exactly my point.
     
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    Marxism isnt a political ideology i.e. one that post modernists would call a grand narrative or meta narrative. It cant be put into practice as its just a study of society. Marx himself said he would be a terrible marxist. As would I and most people here yet the observations he made are undeniable.

    Just explain what element of marxism would Corbyn have implemented given that there is no marxist doctrine no political system and never has been? I just want to know what you know that I dont. Please tell
     
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    You've forgotten about the one person who can ensure that the Tories will lose the next election.











    Boris Johnson.
     
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    You know very well that the Marxist philosophy favours Socialism and Communism over Capitalism, a philosophy that would never work here, and indeed was rejected by the majority, many of whom would have usually have voted for Labour.

    I notice you didn't pull me up on Corbyn being a terrorist lover.
     
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    One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

    What I dont do is walk about contradicting myself. Which is why I dont comment on terrorism etc. The white hats in syria were deemed terrorists by Assad. Its one of those issues which will never cease to cause debate.

    In regards to Marxism the philosophy doesnt lead to anything. It simply acts as a way to observe society. What do you think is wrong with socialism exactly? did you agree with furlough in the pandemic? thats socialism. Do you want your bins taken by the council? Socialism. NHS? have you ever used it? SOCIALISM.

    Do you know what it is that you disagree with because from here its just contradictions.
     
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    That's the sad part about the situation even given its hardy been great so far under the Tories Labour are making little impact as far as the opinion polls suggest, if Labour cant get a decent lead now that suggests to me they have one massive problem, but most know that.
     
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    I think everyone, other than their most ardent supporters, know that Labour have massive problems that they need to overcome, to become genuinely electable.

    That said, if Boris carries on being Boris, then Labour may well find themselves well ahead in the polls before too long. I still wouldn't expect that to lead to a Labour win in the next general election for two reasons: one, people will turn away from actually voting Labour in a real general election and, two, as I've said before, the Conservatives will remove the liability that is Boris Johnson ahead of any general election.

    Regarding HS2, I see Labour have backed Boris further into a corner by committing to delivering HS2. Time for another Boris u-turn?
     
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    Well as we know Labour can say what they want whilst out of power, there are some very deep rooted problems Labour have to sort out with regards their party before thinking they could overcome an 80+ seat majority, and then present a manifesto that is achievable, as the last was just one-upmanship on what the Tories offered, unfortunately they didn't deal with what at the time was a massive issue that would either win you a general Election or lose it and that was sorting Brexit.
    I do think the nearer we get to a General Election as you say the Tory party will take the view that Brexit was delivered and a less controversial leader would possibly be the best way forward, I'm not sure by then Boris could not step down of his own accord.
     
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    You ignored the bit where I said I never told anyone to vote labour. talking out of your arse about me as per
     
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    But Labour are the only alternative to Conservatives, so what was your original point then, or more to the point, who would you have liked to have seen in number 10?
     

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