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Never mind the 21st century, i saw on sky news this morning that you could get from bradford to leeds quicker in the Edwardian era!

Then there were the years it takes to complete- 2032 to 2040- amazing.
Wonder if the companies responsible for smart motorways and cones are involved in this mess as well?

 

Well you were extremely foolish to believe them.

You finally understand that Boris Johnson is a muppet yet?

 

boris is only in it for himself hes so spineless I wouldnnt be surprised if theres a uturn tomorrow

 

Nah, you said it yourself he only cares about him. He got want he wanted when suckers voted for him.

He never cared about the North and its not going to change now.

 

This is what people get for handing the least trustworthy politician in living memory an 80 seat majority.

 

Who else was in the race, a party that would totally ignore the referendum vote, or a party that would renegotiate the deal and then tell the electorate to vote against the renegotiated deal, and keep us in the EU.

 

Hopefully, the EU debate is done and dusted. I voted to stay in the EU but agreed, that the vote was upheld. I'm hoping 1 day that I see the benefits of ending our EU membership....

To the next GE and hopefully the general public will look at the election in terms of health/social care, schooling, the economy, rising prices but depressed income, corruption /sleaze, levelling up of the North etc,

Moreover, I can but only hope we have a party in opposition ready for parliament.

 

Corbyn was barely even in support of the action to hold a second referendum. And if one was held, why were you so scared of losing it?

You are just confirming what everyone said about brexit in the first place. In your haste to get brexit done you would inflict significant harm on the country. Brexit in any form was going to create problems. Short sightedness is the best way to describe it. I and many others could see this all happening. You create trade barriers you harm the economy, then you get less tax revenue, then you get less spending, then people in the country who never get the investment they deserve get left behind again.

So many ways brexit has harmed the UK its seriously unbelievable.

 

I accept your points I'm no Tory my vote as I say was a means to an end, as we have seen Brexit debated to the tune of 195 pages with good open debate.
No excuse but it would have been very interesting to see just how this government would have faired without the Covid pandemic, just watching Look North and the aftermath of the levelling up comment ie HS2 etc a couple of ex Labour voters saying this Government won't get his vote again next time, unfortunately at this moment in time the opposition doesn't fill me with optimism, 13 years of Labour in power did we see the levelling up during their time in power and they we quite aware of the North South divide.
Labour will have to do far more to convince me to vote Labour in 2024/5 or when ever than just point out where in their opinion the government have done things wrong (which they have) without offering an alternative to what they would have done, 2 years into government with as I say some poor calls, yet Labour are level pegging at best that suggests there are more than me wanting some achievable promises written into the next Labour manifesto, and to be perfectly honest I'm not sure Sir Keir Starmer is the man to deliver.

 

Same old same old Clity, "why were we so scared of losing it", there was no need for a second referendum only you remainers were calling for another as you lost the one and only referendum on offer at the time

 

I put it to you that a second referendum was an idea which is allowed in a democracy and that idea failed. Nobody is denying that.

But the reasons for wanting one stand true and the only denial in this country at the moment comes from die hard brexit people. The same argument for trusting the torys to deliver a northern powerhouse is the one about brexit. Those being false promises made by an elite group who stood to benefit from duping votes out of rubes in the north.

 

Of course your correct, "it was an idea which is allowed in a democracy" trouble is once again the Brexiteers lumped on the Tories and your second referendum went down the plug hole.
Its not that difficult to grasp you have three options one vote Lib/Dem and you get a democratic vote quashed but you being a man of honour you would never want a democratic vote annulling would you.
Then there was the Labour party who also didn't want to accept the referendum vote and wanted to renegotiate a deal with the EU and then ask you to vote against it, you see why any self respecting democrat could not accept either offer, so only the one left, and not merely did the Brexiteers get the Tories over the line but gave then an 80+ seat majority which even after all the sh!te we've seen will still see them in power after the next General election, certainly the way Labour are performing there is little alternative.

 

Genuine Q - would Bradford have been better off under a labor government? Genuinely not sure it can get much worse. But how much better was it under Labor. The first PM I can really remember was Blair. Bradfords been a shit hole as long as I can remember.

 

Speaks to your lack of imagination than any lack of an alternative. could have drawn a willy on your ballot paper for all i cared but it was clear that tit would run the country into the ground. take some responsibility for your own poor, poor decision making.

 

I never said vote Labour, I've voted Greens more than Labour in past GE's

 

You should be happy now then as we have a socialist green party in power (for now)...

 

Nothing of the sort and the joke that was the cop26 summit showed that. We have a set of lying amoral bastards in government and nothing else, and handing them a stonking majority was the worst thing anyone could have done.

 

Hope we don't see you glued to a motorway or the like though..!!

 

hahaha no mate that's not my idea of making a persuasive argument fortunately