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Hi BWWB. Thanks for this.

Just for some background, the BH project has taken 18 months, juggled alongside a hectic day job and done all for free. I’m very proud of it but accept there will be errors as I’m barely 30 and my history of the club going back beyond 1995 was non-existent before starting this, so please let me look into it.

What I will say is that the project was cast aside as an irrelevance by a certain former chairman who knew football, and thus it went onto the back burner. It came back into prominence very quickly in the last few weeks but I guarantee that by the time those players wear their numbers for the first time in August, they WILL be correct.

Please feel free to DM the @BantamsHeritage Twitter account with any mistakes you think you spot in future.

One thing; I accept some people may disagree with the process of alphabetical order over start/sub in terms of handing some numbers out, but that’s the way I decided to do it and it’s sticking that way! I hope it doesn’t upset too many people.

 

I for one, think it is a very good idea, always liked it on the Cricket shirts. Credit to you for all your research and the idea of it.

 

Whatever number you both agree on, please deduct one for Aaron McClean.

 

Much ado about nothing IMO

 

Good idea, I know some will disagree, but I like the idea of players having an individual number that identifies each player who has played for City, and it will be their number forever and their shirt. Hopefully it will instil some pride!! I will leave it to those that like to keep stats as to which number belongs to which player, that is definitely not my expertise

I hope it is sewn in gold thread, small and discreet. Maybe the collar?

 

No...Yes...Apples and oranges. Seeing as I'm logged in and BH isn't, I'll take the liberty of answering.

No: it's a way of organising the mass of raw data that consists of all the players who have ever appeared for us in a first-team match in recognised first-team competitions -- see the posts above by BantamsHeritage, BWWB, and myself for these competitions.

Yes: Vanhala is one of those players. So is Lewis Clarkson, who I believe has the shortest first-team career of any of our players, having come on as an 87th-minute sub in his one and only appearance. They *are* part of our history just as much as Ces.

Apples and oranges: heritage as in history, not as in Hall-of-Fame. Thus "heritage" takes in everyone, whereas "Hall-of-Fame" would be limited to the kinds of players you mention, our legends and almost-legends, or in my way of describing them, those players in our Hall of Fame who get a plaque on the wall (almost-legends) and those who get a statue in the middle of the room as well (legends).

Hope this clarifies things.

RCB

 

www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/26/bradford-city-heritage-numbers-first-english-football-shirt

 

Martin Pattison defo played - he was in a crop of youngsters taken on YTS forms from Queensbury Celtic, including my brother. Think Martin played in the Oldham cup game at home? Would have to check but think that was it.

 

I don't know how or even if this could be done, but I would be interested in knowing who is on your list, just to compare with mine. I also have 1274 players for us, including the four you note have been omitted from the BH list. Who are the two others, I wonder?

I know there was confusion in some sources that split Steve O'Leary into two separate players, and back in 1993 some sources had a Glegg playing in an FA Cup match, but that had to be some sort of error as that name appears nowhere else.

It seems there are quite a few of us keeping detailed records of City's history!

RCB

 

Just stick owt on, no one's gonna notice.

 

Yes, he had one appearance for us -- it was in the Simod Cup match against Chelsea, 30.11.88.

RCB

 

League, FA Cup, and League Cup are obvious; after that let the debates begin!

First, the play-offs. I include these, under their own heading -- not part of the regular league schedule, but still proper first-team matches, affecting League standings.

Next, the "Minor Cups." All of these involved first-teams, and fellow League clubs provided the opposition. I stuck the InterToto cup into this category as well, as I really didn't want to add an extra pair of columns, mostly blank, to my spreadsheets. Appearances and goals have all been totted up and I just have a "Minor Cups" category rather than individual categories for each competition.

(I include the various names these cup competitions have gone under just to be absolutely clear.)

1) Division 3 North Challenge Cup

2) Football League Group Cup:

i) Football League Group Cup (1981/2)
ii) Football League Trophy (1982/3)
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3) Associate Members' Cup / Football League Trophy (from 1992):

i) Associate Members' Cup (1983/4)
ii) Freight Rover Trophy (1984/5-1986/7)
iii) Sherpa Vans Trophy (1987/8-1988/9)
iv) Leyland DAF Cup (1989/90-1990-91)
v) Autoglass Trophy (1991/2-1993/4)
vi) Auto Windscreens Shield (1994/5-1999/2000)
vii) LDV Vans Trophy (2000/1-2005/6)
viii) Johnstone’s Paint Trophy (2006/7-2015/6)
ix) Checkatrade Trophy (2016/7 onwards)
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4) Full Members’ Cup:

i) Full Members' Cup (1985/6-1986/7)
ii) Simod Cup (1987/8-1988/9)
iii) Zenith Data Systems Cup (1989/90-1991/2)​

5) the InterToto Cup

One man's opinion, at any rate, of what to include.

RCB

 

Okay, so after consultation with several historians and football experts, I'm in agreement with @River_City_Bantam and @BWWB. If the Football League/Checkatrade Trophy is included, all other minor/defunct cup competitions that City's first-team have played in against fellow divisional/league teams should do, too.

So with that in mind, four new Heritage Numbers have been awarded to Mel Gwinnett, Michael Guy, Andrew Burton and Martin Pattison. It also means the list has reshuffled somewhat, and some debuts adjusted, to fit those players in chronologically - but now, the Bantams Heritage files have an 'Other Cup' appearances and goals column, which will include the following competitions:

• Football League Trophy (and all its various aliases and predecessors, including the short-lived Football League Group Cup)
• The Full Members Cup
• The Division Three (North) Challenge Cup

That means that the following competitions are now recognised:

• League
• FA Cup
• League Cup
• Football League/EFL Trophy/Associate Members Cup
• Full Members Cup
• Division Three (North) Challenge Cup)
• Intertoto Cup/European Football

If anyone thinks there are any more errors or competitions that should be included, please do say. I hope the list serves a purpose for City fans, if for nothing more than a statistical reference point which is readily available online.

You can view the full list at https://bantamsheritage.com/heritage-numbers/the-list/

 

Richards-Southport?
Do you think you’re funny? Next you’ll be calling him Richards-Tranmere.

 

Lets hope that a well mannered discussion can occur, irrespective of the past.

Better to look forwards than the past?